TPGK turns trips against loose passive now aggressive

nerdking · #1 09-01-2007, 03:03 AM

Last three days have been atrocious. I've nearly destroyed my laptop on several occasions, but it is a hearty beast and loves me like a puppy. Christ, I need to get out more...

PFR is a standard TAG

sb is LAGtard 61/41/2.4 i've seen him cap 92s and A4os from the blinds. His lucksackery will get him ass cancer in the future.

UTG is 53/6/0.4 he has little to no flop aggresion factor (18 percent).

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Flop was a CR to isolate CO which went horribly awry. With the bet and the raise I should have been out of there.

Turn I just couldn't figure out, hence the river call.

NinaWilliams · #2 09-01-2007, 03:10 AM

The turn is spew. The only thing that you pulled ahead of is 93. I just call down from the flop.

Sibelius · #3 09-01-2007, 03:25 AM

I would b/c the turn and hope UTG had overpair or 93. Or to catch a king.

I also would have go for a c/r on the flop. UTG donk wouldn't make me feel comfortably, though.

Oink · #4 09-01-2007, 06:06 AM

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The turn is spew. The only thing that you pulled ahead of is 93. I just call down from the flop.

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The donk has AA or KK a lot in my games when the action is like this.

- Few donks jam a set on the flop, so discount those
- T9 is a probability
- Almost all donks play KK and AA like this.
- Hanlds like AT-JT is in the donks range as well, sometimes they overplay their TP hands.

I think Hero has the best hand here a lot and I disagree that turn is spew al tho I dont mind just check calling down.

TheHip41 · #5 09-01-2007, 08:44 AM

say "thank you" turn card, burn money, next hand, what can you do?

sharpie · #6 09-01-2007, 08:52 AM

OP you should've cut off the action before your turn check/raise.

I think it depends on how much we have to discount overpairs. I think worse Tx is fairly unlikely for someone that passive on the flop, he's facing a raise from the PF raiser and then a cold 3 bet, I don't think he's capping the flop with QT or worse much. It also seems likely he'd wait for the turn, or at least check/raise the flop with a monster.

I probably would've called down during play, but I often forget AA/KK is in their range.

Gurravasa · #7 09-01-2007, 09:11 AM

I wouldn't c/r turn I think I would c/c since I think he has a monster more often than an overpair. When he reraises your c/r you are dead against this player but the pot is huge and you must call.

Oink · #8 09-01-2007, 09:22 AM

AA is more likely than 99 IMO

They limp both of those holdings preflop but its likely that the fish slowplays 99 on the flop.

I would expect AA to be 3 to 4 times as likely as 99.

You guys are giving this donk WAY too much credit IMHO

Gurravasa · #9 09-01-2007, 10:15 AM

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AA is more likely than 99 IMO

They limp both of those holdings preflop but its likely that the fish slowplays 99 on the flop.

I would expect AA to be 3 to 4 times as likely as 99.

You guys are giving this donk WAY too much credit IMHO

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I can't see what you base this on Oink. I don't see a LP cap flop with AA UI after limp/calling pf. A player like that is always afraid he's beat and this guy don't seem the least concerned about that. I think it's the other way around 3/4 it's a monster (boat).

Oink · #10 09-01-2007, 10:25 AM

Meh, not in my experience.

My experiences are donks limping big hands preflop and then overvaluing them postflop. The donks I have played with will also slowplay flopped sets and 2 pair more often than not.

But if your experiences are different then o well. Thats fine. And as I said I dont mind c/c on the turn I am just not as scared of a set as you guys.