When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player

[MARK R]

Hello,

At what point should the dealer shove the chips to the winning player. The reason I ask is because of the following.

This is how the hand went down.
blinds 1/1

3 limps I limp with k10s on the button.
SB raises to 8 he raises about 50% of pots from any position.
(I also knew he was going to raise before the flop due to a tell I have on him).
2 calls
I reraise to 50 trying to just take the hand down there.
SB FOLDs
1st player folds.
2nd player calls she only had 20 more so I get my change.

Board comes down and I did not hit any of the board. I say K and table my hand. The woman says a pair of fours and tables her hand 94s. The table goes whooooo. The dealer pushes the pot to the woman and scoops the board. I still have hold of my cards. I ask the dealer to relay out the board as he still has the cards in his hand and in the correct order. The board is J 4 7 J 7 I tell the dealer that the 4 does not play and I have the winning hand. He then tells the woman to give me the chips. The woman compalins that she should be able to keep the pot as it she was determined the winner by the dealer and passed the chips. She gets a ruleing and the floor makes the right ruleing and awards me the pot.

Other questions I have about this hand.

Could I have asked to go to the camera if the dealer mucked the board.

What if the table is not covered with a camera.

Thanks Mark.

[SellingtheDrama]

Don't table a hand until the river. Determining a winner at the flop is pointless.

[psandman]

The dealer should not push the pot until he has killed all the non-winning hands.hen at that point if the pot gets pushed to the wrong player we can ask you why you didn't speak up when the dealer killed your hand.

[MortalWombat]

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Don't table a hand until the river. Determining a winner at the flop is pointless.

[/ QUOTE ]Even so, the dealer was an idiot. It would be like an umpire calling the winner of a baseball game based on the score at the 4th inning. I would be very wary of playing while this dealer was dealing in any future games.

And at least the OP caught the dealer's mistake in time, and made him deal the rest of the board, and called the floor to resolve it.

[MARK R]

sry the complete board was out. And we tabled our hand after the river.

[psandman]

I think you are misreading the OP. (well thats because it was poorly written) I believe that the OP means a full board was dealt and the dealer misread the hand -- didn't realize the player who had been winning on the flop was now counterfeited.

[MARK R]

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(well thats because it was poorly written)

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English never has been one of my strong points.

[MortalWombat]

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I think you are misreading the OP. (well thats because it was poorly written) I believe that the OP means a full board was dealt and the dealer misread the hand -- didn't realize the player who had been winning on the flop was now counterfeited.

[/ QUOTE ]Oh, OK. In that case, the dealer was just not thinking (maybe tired?), or is still an idiot. At least not as much an idiot as I initially thought.

There's really not much to comment on. You didn't release your hand, you called out the mistake, the dealer corrected it, and the floor upheld the decision. Pretty simple.

[MARK R]

So if I still have my hand and the casino has passed the pot and scooped the board and mixed the board with the other cards. I then say my hand is the winner what should be the ruleing.

[MortalWombat]

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So if I still have my hand and the casino has passed the pot and scooped the board. I then say my hand is the winner what should be the ruleing.

[/ QUOTE ]I ask them to review the tape. If they won't do that, or don't have cameras, then don't play there again and contact the state's gaming commission.