yucky QQ spot

shat4brains · #1 08-30-2007, 10:45 PM

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

erm....... i think i lost a bet that i didnt need to here what do u guys do when the board goes to hell? instead of leading in this situation is it better to c/c or maybe even c/f?

downrange · #2 08-30-2007, 11:50 PM

I really hate a spot like this but reads would help (me at least). If he's a passive guy I typically b-f. If he's an aggressive guy I'd feel compelled to c-c. If he's tweenish/unk I probably c-f. I don't know who I'd b-c against.

TheDudeChad · #3 08-30-2007, 11:58 PM

If you can't fold to a raise here, you should really just check/call. Putting in two bets on this river is really bad. Bet/fold or check/call depends on the player, but make sure only one (or zero) bets go in on the river.

If this guys an unknown I check/call and make a note.

Jenno99 · #4 08-31-2007, 05:36 AM

I would weep a little when the river came and then c/c. In my experience bad, passive players will think this is a good place for a bluff and bet. If I bet I don't think I would call a raise.

guenttrs · #5 08-31-2007, 05:48 AM

First we cant c/f here. The alternative is c/c, b/f or b/c.

I would B/f when i can trust villain.
Because i cant see a worse hand calling this river there should be no value in a bet. I think villain can semibluff a worse hand but not call it. Given this my line here is c/c against unknown and b/f against solid players.

sharpie · #6 08-31-2007, 05:48 AM

I seem to get bluffraised on 4 flush rivers more than any other so I wouldn't bet/fold. There aren't too many worse made hands likely, worse pocket overpairs should put in more action, not many 2x 5x hands in his range. It's possible he has A3/A5, or decides to bluff his A2 anyway, or called the turn with ace high no draw or something and decides to bluff, so I'd check/call.