preflop BvB ? that i have probably asked before

[sublime]

no reads on villian, no stats, havent been at table long.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $97.00
BB: $102.05
UTG: $91.85
MP: $77.00
CO: $103.50
BTN: $126.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $12.00</font>

[thac]

I usually 4-bet to 30 as a default due to not getting any respect in blinds. I think raising any higher lets him get away easier, but having ~70 left behind will let him bluff thinking he has FE maybe. You'll run into AA or KK a few times but you'll also find people shoving AK, JJ or just random Axs. I'm never 4-betting to fold though.

[mrjetguy]

How much credit is he giving you for a hand? Probably not much, against most villains easy 4bet.

[Orsman]

How about calling this 3bet and planing to call one bet if A or K hits the flop and c/r if flop is J high?

I think 4betting here lets him fold alot of hand that we can gain more value from postflop. ex. he flops TPTK or a decent draw a decides to play for stacks just because it BvB.

[sublime]

so shoving is not #1 on anyones list?

[TheKitbag]

I wouldn't shove. I can't se him stacking off with less than QQ here. I like Orsman's plan cuz he'll follow up on any flop. 4-bet to 30 is safer tho.

[cfb1739]

I usually just call here. 4 betting let's hands worse than JJ get away easily. I think you can get more value by playing post flop w/ this hand in this situation.

I don't 4 bet much at all, however. So if you have some 3 bet/4 bet history w/ villain, then 4 betting is fine (even w/o history it's fine, but past hands w/ villain may make 4 betting a better line).

[jeccross]

Shoving certainly isn't +EV if you're playing against me...

[Bulletproof Monk]

4bet

[Nielsio]

Call, c/r flop.