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Old 08-27-2007, 12:35 PM
bengalii bengalii is offline
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Default I dont like small bets

Omaha Hi $1-$1 PL (Real Money),

Seat 1: Hero ($122.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Button ($165 in chips)
Seat 4: SB($151 in chips)
Seat 5: BB ($115.60 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG ($163.45 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG+1 ($157.15 in chips)
Seat 9: MP1 ($19 in chips)
Seat 10: MP2 ($18.80 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
SBposts blind ($1), BB posts blind ($1).

Dealt to Hero: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ,K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

PRE-FLOP
UTG calls $1,
UTG+1 calls $1,
MP1 folds,
MP2 calls $1,
Hero calls $1,
Button folds,
SBchecks,
BB bets $4,
UTG calls $4,
UTG+1 calls $4,
MP2 calls $4,
Hero calls $4,
SBcalls $4.

FLOP [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] pot $20
SBchecks,
BB bets $10,
UTG bets $20,
UTG+1 folds,
MP2 folds,
Hero calls $20,
SBfolds,
BB calls $10.

feels to cheap for me to fold, if a blank falls on the turn Im good unless UTG gots trip sixes.

TURN [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] pot $80
BB bets $10,
UTG bets $25,
Hero ??

Im not particularly worried about BB, he would have repopped flop if there was anything to worry about.
But what to do, just call again? seems weak when I dont know where Im at against UTG player.
Im not folding, thats for sure. But pushing top two just seems like a sucker move, at the same I dont want the draws to get to the river so cheap. What to do??

[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:37 PM
Triantafylidis Triantafylidis is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

WTF are you talking about....just FOLD, why is this so hard?
All you have is top 2, you are behind wrap draws with a flush draw, any set, and only have 1/5 of your stack in. I don't see the problem with getting rid of it and finding a better spot. UTG could have easily been sitting on 66 or QQ and waiting for a safe turn so he can raise. He may even hold a monster such as KcKhAd10d is which case youre drawing dead. Please just fold.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:07 PM
chucky chucky is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

Fold the flop. You are way behind sets and big draws. if you are going to make a raise you better find out early in hand if someone has better. UTG should not be miniraising here with less than a set. Draws want to get it allin while they have equity.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:33 PM
iggymcfly iggymcfly is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

Push push push the turn. You didn't think they had sets from their weak flop bets and now after their super-weak turn bets, you know they don't have sets. All the draws missed so it's time to get stacks in.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:40 PM
CrushinFelt CrushinFelt is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

I agree with Iggy that IF I reach the turn I'm probably pushing this. However, I'm not sure I reach the turn.
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Old 08-28-2007, 02:31 PM
original_red original_red is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

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You didn't think they had sets from their weak flop bets and now after their super-weak turn bets, you know they don't have sets. All the draws missed so it's time to get stacks in.

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Old 08-28-2007, 05:20 PM
-DJM- -DJM- is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

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Push push push the turn.

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Yeap.

To the poster that said to fold the fold the flop, why? Top two in position, I might have opted for a raise on flop. After the turn I am def. potting with this board.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:50 PM
CrushinFelt CrushinFelt is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

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Push push push the turn.

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Yeap.

To the poster that said to fold the fold the flop, why? Top two in position, I might have opted for a raise on flop. After the turn I am def. potting with this board.

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Because I can basically count the number of good turn cards on one hand. On the flop, calling is probably one of the last things I want to do. We are holding some wrap outs which is why I'm not saying fold is the best play, maybe a raise is the way to go. But I don't really like a call.
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Old 08-29-2007, 12:51 AM
alavet alavet is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

wrap outs? humm humm

i wanted to fold but iggy makes it push and i with him
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Old 08-29-2007, 06:42 AM
Craggoo Craggoo is offline
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Default Re: I dont like small bets

Let me list the reasons why this is a bad push:
1) we are playing full ring PLO where someone almost always has the nuts
2) we are playing against a minraise on the flop which usually screams i have top set
3) we have no redraws (boards with 4 card straights dont count)
4)on a scale of bad to horrendous: folding is ok, calling is horrible, and raising is complete spew

All i can think of for now
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