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Old 08-27-2007, 03:28 AM
aislephive aislephive is offline
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Default QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

Villain is Philms83, pretty solid taggy player at around 25/20. I've been 3 betting him a standard amount, and he seems to like to call reraises a lot and can be pretty spewy at times, but overall he is solid. It's getting to the point though where I'm pretty sure he is getting a little fed up with my 3 betting and is liable to make some moves on the flop.

With that said, what line do you think is best on the flop? Bet flop and shove over a raise? C/r ai? Maybe bet flop and shove turn? FWIW he is the type of player who is very capable of floating, even in reraised pots.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $584.89
BB: $426.99
UTG: $400.00
CO: $612.52
BTN: $440.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $52.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $36.00

Flop: ($108) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:32 AM
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

bet/call?
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:33 AM
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

I just keep betting: if he raises I shove and if he calls, I bet the turn.

Also, I would bet on the smaller side on the flop: like $60-70 to make shoving awkward for him. You want to be the one being the final aggressor.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:39 AM
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

preflop is gross unless he folds too much

flop I would probably c/r shove. it looks a little bluffy, but its your best chance to put in the last raise, and if he checks behind thats not too bad for you.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

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preflop is gross unless he folds too much

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flop I would probably c/r shove. it looks a little bluffy, but its your best chance to put in the last raise, and if he checks behind thats not too bad for you.

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I like this, with balances of doing it with real hands.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:52 AM
luegofuego luegofuego is offline
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

i think crai sux most of the time in these spots.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

i like betting more than c/r here. just bet and shove any turn.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:54 AM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

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flop I would probably c/r shove. it looks a little bluffy, but its your best chance to put in the last raise, and if he checks behind thats not too bad for you.

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I like this, with balances of doing it with real hands.

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Yea I think c/rai is pretty sweet with aces/kings here too.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:34 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

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he seems to like to call reraises a lot and can be pretty spewy at times, but overall he is solid. It's getting to the point though where I'm pretty sure he is getting a little fed up with my 3 betting and is liable to make some moves on the flop.

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Then why rr QJo oop? Given your history I like crai now.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: QJ flops overs and OESD in rr pot

The problem with betting is that if he raises, you have no FE.
C/r allin, he has to have a real hand to call and you are in good shape against AT and similar.
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