AK - Bleeding money.....

maca9 · #1 08-26-2007, 07:29 AM

Hi all

I have tried to be aggressive and Cbet these.

Any comments?

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BB ($24.80)
UTG ($41.40)
Hero ($20.25)
Button ($39.90)
SB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1.

Turn: ($4.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($4.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $4.1, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $8.20

Hand 2

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BB ($25)
UTG ($41.30)
Hero ($22.50)
Button ($24.40)
SB ($12.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls $1.

Turn: ($3.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, Button calls $2.25.

River: ($8.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $8.35

whyzze · #2 08-26-2007, 07:31 AM

Can you post a similar hand where you have AA instead of AK? Preferably one where villian folds.

maca9 · #3 08-26-2007, 07:50 AM

I can't find one right now.

But i guess you are wanting to look if i play it different so they can tell?

I always raise 3-4 BB with either hand and try to value or cbet 2/3 pot.

Maybe i am genuinely hitting resistance due to them having caught the flop in these cases?

Doe they look ok to cbet on?

whyzze · #4 08-26-2007, 07:56 AM

Ya...you got the idea..and it may not just be that they are noticing. Your cbets are more like 1/2 pot than 2/3..I would say minimum 2/3.

Other than that I always cbet AK hu. Now as for double barreling...these are not good situations, the boards are coordinated and the turns have not changed much.

danny8 · #5 08-26-2007, 08:44 AM

i'd cbet more in both hands.. like ~$1.75 in the first and ~$1.5 in the 2nd. if youre readless i wouldnt bother firing a 2nd barrel in hand 2. too many draws he can call with and since your oop hes gonna see you check the river and he might bet his busted draws, which you cant realy call yet

maca9 · #6 08-26-2007, 08:52 AM

Thanks guys. Both your comments make sense.

I think size of CBET i need to reconsider.

If you commit to making a cbet then you need to follow through and bet a decent size.

Am I right in noticing that on 2+2 it seems to be generally accpeted that you need to cbet more than the 1/3 to 1/2 spoken of by Harrington in HOH1??

LOLDONKBETZ · #7 08-26-2007, 09:22 AM

yes, 2/3 to full pot so you can actually get value in further streets when you have hit

Hoffma · #8 08-26-2007, 09:35 AM

I had to check PT. I cbet 67% of the time, and raise another 10%, so I'm showing flop aggression in my raised pots more than 75% of the time. Probably leaky as hell though.

ajrees · #9 08-26-2007, 09:38 AM

PF raise seems OK. I usually raise 4xBB + 1 per limper no matter what I'm raising with, but 3xBB is OK.

I think you need to make your Cbets a little bit higher - $1.50-$1.60 in the first hand and $1.30-$1.40 in the second hand.

I would fire again on the turn for ~$3.50 in the first hand and check-fold if we are called/raised. However, If an Ace or King comes on the river there then you are laughing.

In the second hand the villain might be on a clubs draw. If you are going to double barrel on the turn then I would make it about $3.40.

mertzo · #10 08-26-2007, 09:42 AM

the only mayor leak here is the turn bet in hand2