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#1
08-25-2007, 03:00 PM
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Crying River Call ???
Raiser UTG...
Two Callers... I 3 bet with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button. UTG calls and looks disgusted... two calling stations in the middle do what they are suppose to do.... call. Flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] checked to the guy on my right... who bets. I raise. Everyone else folds. He just calls. Turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Guy to my right bets... I raise again. He three bets... I call River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] He bets... I make the biggest donkey crying call of my life. Thoughts on how poorly I played all street? BTW... my table image was pretty good up to this point. I would say my range of hands (from the other players perceptions) would be over-pair, big flush draw, or set here. Maybe getting jiggy with JJ... but I don't think my image was such. 
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#2
08-25-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
Go back in time and call the turn.
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#3
08-25-2007, 03:13 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
You shoved his hand down your own throat. The turn is the only street I really see anything wrong. The river a bit too, but minor in comparison. Looks alot like a set and given the turn play(3bet) but it also looks like you're beat on the turn when he donks it, a pair isn't going to win this. One reason the river is a mistake is because of the 3 bet on the turn.
A calling station is betting into a preflop 3 bettor and flop raiser. This is time to just call the turn. Of course, in just calling the turn, you'll probably have to look at calling the river. But his turn donk should be telling you something. b
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#4
08-25-2007, 03:21 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
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He bets... I make the biggest donkey crying call of my life. [/ QUOTE ] grow some and raise the river...
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#5
08-25-2007, 03:30 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
preflop is standard
flop is very questionable. I would like to hear your thoughts and plan before I tell you mine but I will tell you I think a call is better by a good amount. Turn is somewhere between bad and horrible. Did you think he was donking planning to fold? River is well, you know.
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#6
08-25-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
What sort of player was the guy to your right?
I'd have just called the turn since you're never getting him to fold anything at all and your equity is much lower than it was on the flop.
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#7
08-25-2007, 04:15 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
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preflop is standard flop is very questionable. I would like to hear your thoughts and plan before I tell you mine but I will tell you I think a call is better by a good amount. Turn is somewhere between bad and horrible. Did you think he was donking planning to fold? River is well, you know. [/ QUOTE ] My thought was that I was a big favorite against the random holdings of the guy to my right. He was a preflop calling station... but I've seen him donk bet several times with middle pair on the flop or turn. I felt required to raise the flop with two over and a nutty draw. I felt like a dip-stick on the turn (obviously) as soon as my second stack of chips hit the felt and he reached deep into a stack of yellow. by the river... I'm getting something like 14 to one to make the crying call... The guy was a calling station... but not a pure-breed... I could see him playing a hand like Q-10 of spades as it had played out. Like I said... he was a preflop calling station but I'd seen him get jiggy once before and C/R with naked over-cards post flop. I don't really mind my call on the river or the flop... but I think my turn play was absolutely horrendous.
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#8
08-25-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
once you bloat the pot that big i don't really mind calling the river but the turn raise doesn't really make sense. nobody folds anything these days and you're not even a favorite against like, 32o.
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#9
08-25-2007, 04:29 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
The flop raise is not bad, not at all:
(1) You avoid having to chop by cleaning out any other AK out there. (2) You gain huge if you can actually fold out a hand like A2/A4 cleaning up your outs. This would be a major coup with the pot size now, but who knows? The turn is ghastly. Just call. Your equity has decreased. He has shown the moxie to bet into you (and the field) on the flop, and then into you again on the turn? I hope it's not a macho thing. Your river play is where you need to make one right thing out of the turn play and understanding you're strictly limited to flushing. You must fold if an A or K rivers based on what happened on the flop and turn. A calling station 3-bets you on the turn? No way it's good. I really don't care what the size of the pot now. Garland
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#10
08-25-2007, 04:58 PM
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Re: Crying River Call ???
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Your river play is where you need to make one right thing out of the turn play and understanding you're strictly limited to flushing. You must fold if an A or K rivers based on what happened on the flop and turn. A calling station 3-bets you on the turn? No way it's good. I really don't care what the size of the pot now. Garland [/ QUOTE ] yeah... my river call what questionable... but I don't know if it's horrible (based on the player)... However, you're right... I can't imagine this quazi calling station 3 betting with anything less than 2 pair... I do need to fold the river more often I think
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