AK Unknown villian. 100NL

Hince · #1 08-25-2007, 04:18 PM

Unknown villian. This seems like a basic spot but I am really confused without any reads... I'm not sure what the standard line is at this level.
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Hero ($98.50)
MP ($104)
Button ($103.50)
SB ($138.75)
BB ($113)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button raises to $20, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($49.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $34, Hero calls $34.

River: ($117.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $45.5 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $72

holdem2000 · #2 08-25-2007, 04:27 PM

Pretty sure folding is the last thing you want to do here versus an unknown.

I think I sometimes (probably not all that often) 3-bet the flop, but as played you should checkraise allin on the turn I think and be up againist AK/AQ/AJ a lot of the time but even AT sometimes... if he's playing any A3/A6 PF he might very well be playing something like A8+ this strongly now with the intent to check the river.

MindGamez · #3 08-25-2007, 04:32 PM

definately need to throw a raise in there somewhere, and be happy to get it all in

AaronOC · #4 08-25-2007, 04:34 PM

why do you call the turn and fold the river? it makes no sense

Womble · #5 08-25-2007, 04:38 PM

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Also - you generally have to decide what you want to do on the flop? If you are happy getting it in - call and CR turn. Otherwise fold the flop. There are NO draws out there so he is doing this with sets/Ax/air only

holdem2000 · #6 08-25-2007, 04:43 PM

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why do you call the turn and fold the river? it makes no sense

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I don't like the play, but I assume OP called the turn figuring that if the villain has a smaller ace he shuts down on the river, while villain pushes river only with at least AK. But I think the villain pushes AQ on the river as well, plus possibly some lower aces, I still think the river should be called as played.

Bramsterdam · #7 08-25-2007, 04:56 PM

OP; google 'pot odds' [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

good_gamble · #8 08-25-2007, 04:59 PM

Against an unknown, I'm prolly folding the turn

Hince · #9 08-25-2007, 05:08 PM

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why do you call the turn and fold the river? it makes no sense

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Also - you generally have to decide what you want to do on the flop? If you are happy getting it in - call and CR turn. Otherwise fold the flop. There are NO draws out there so he is doing this with sets/Ax/air only

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This is sort of my problem. Against an unknown, I don't really want to fold the flop here because I think I could be ahead quite often... and it just seems really weak. But at the same time, he either has Ax/Air or I am toast. If I raise now, I don't think I get any action from a worse hand.

I probably should have c/r the turn, but I had a feeling I was behind and didn't trust it enough to fold.

I'm pretty sure the river is a fold as played. I don't think many players raise the flop then fire 3 barrels on a hand I beat often enough.... but I'm really not happy with my line...

Austiger · #10 08-25-2007, 05:09 PM

Fold the turn.