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Old 08-23-2007, 01:12 AM
DeadDrawDonk DeadDrawDonk is offline
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Default Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

Is there any way to not go broke with top full vs quads? Three hands, all pretty close together:

HAND 1

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game
$0.01/$0.02 Blinds
8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Preflop: Hero is dealt A Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 Players)
Hero calls $0.02, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, SB calls $0.01, BB raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08, SB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 9 (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.40) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, CO folds, SB calls $0.06

River: ($0.58) Q (3 Players)
SB bets $0.58, BB folds, Hero raises all-in to $1.68, SB calls $1.10
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $3.94 ($0.15 Rake)

SB had 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 (four of a kind, Threes) and WON (+$1.95)
Hero had A Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ([Ac Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Ts] (a full house, Queens full of Threes)) and LOST (-$1.84)

I started tilting a little after this, realized it, and took some days off. Then I come back, and this is the second hand I get:

HAND 2

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game
$0.01/$0.02 Blinds
8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Preflop: Hero is dealt A 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 A (8 Players)
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 checks, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, CO checks, BTN calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.16) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG folds, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.02, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds

Turn: ($0.22) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, SB folds

River: ($0.42) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.42, MP2 raises to $1.68, Hero raises all-in to $1.86, MP2 calls $0.18
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $4.14 ($0.20 Rake)

MP2 had 9 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 (four of a kind, Nines) and WON (+$1.94)
Hero had A 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 A ([Ad 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Nines)) and LOST (-$2.00)

Recently I've been winning, but in one hand where I had KKxx on a KQQJ8 board I just called after being re-re-re-raised on the river; naturally this time the villain had QJxx and I failed to extract the last bit of his stack. This was my second hand tonight:

HAND 3

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game
$0.01/$0.02 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) Q J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero bets $0.06, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.20) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12

River: ($0.44) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.16, MP raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.94, MP raises to $5.72, Hero calls all-in for $0.84
Uncalled bet of $2.94 returned to MP

Pot Size: $6.00 ($0.30 Rake)

MP had 4 J 6 J (four of a kind, Jacks) and WON (+$2.72)
Hero had Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$2.98)

Is there some point where you give the villain credit for quads and just call down? I'm not sure what I should be looking for, or if I should just go broke in these spots. Thanks.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:46 AM
pete fabrizio pete fabrizio is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

even if you could somehow make a mistake giving too much action with your nut full against quads, don't worry about it. it won't come up often enough to matter.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:46 AM
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

Hand 1 fold on turn. Hand 2 raise flop to find out if opponent has a 9. Hand 3 check raise flop. POT the turn. On the river you cant fold for less than 200 BB.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:09 AM
DeadDrawDonk DeadDrawDonk is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

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Hand 1 fold on turn. Hand 2 raise flop to find out if opponent has a 9. Hand 3 check raise flop. POT the turn. On the river you cant fold for less than 200 BB.

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So go broke on 2? Can't see a way out of it. Agree on 1 and 3.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:10 AM
pete fabrizio pete fabrizio is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

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Hand 1 fold on turn. Hand 2 raise flop to find out if opponent has a 9. Hand 3 check raise flop. POT the turn. On the river you cant fold for less than 200 BB.

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So go broke on 2? Can't see a way out of it. Agree on 1 and 3.

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not sure i would call it "going broke"
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:11 AM
DeadDrawDonk DeadDrawDonk is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

Umm ok, lose my stack. :P
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:07 AM
HaiaN HaiaN is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

You run good ... not
post stack sizes! (not that they matter here, but in general)
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:16 AM
chucky chucky is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

if your opponent reraises your flop raise on hand 2 then you can throw out your hand.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:41 AM
alavet alavet is offline
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Default Re: Credit for quads? (Warning: Micro Stakes)

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I started tilting a little after this, realized it, and took some days off.

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uh-uh
tilit for 1,8 bucks
awesome

dont even think about that, man
your opponents just threw their money away
as in hand 3 he just caleld you 2 times instead of reraise
and you cant give any1 a credit for quads in most cases, just be aware if they passive till the river and then action you may not reraise but just call if you afraid of it.

i also strongly recommend you to grow something upper limit
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