KK oop- 3bet pot

[Scaramouche]

Villain is 27/17/3.5. No history

Seat 1: <font color="#000000">UTG</font> ($369,95)
Seat 3: <font color="#000000">UTG+1</font> ($289,79)
Seat 5: <font color="#000000">CO</font> ($198,55)
Seat 6: <font color="#000000">BTN</font> ($201,40)
Seat 8: <font color="#990000">Hero</font> ($214,45)
Seat 10: <font color="#000000">BB</font> ($220,25)

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> posts small blind of $1,00; <font color="#000000">BB</font> posts big blind of $2,00;
<font color="#990000">Hero</font> is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="#000000">UTG</font> raises to $8,00; <font color="#000000">UTG+1</font> folds; <font color="#000000">CO</font> calls $8,00; <font color="#000000">BTN</font> folds; <font color="#990000">Hero</font> raises to $36,00; <font color="#000000">BB</font> folds; <font color="#000000">UTG</font> calls $28,00; <font color="#000000">CO</font> folds;

Dealing flop 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Pot is: $83,00

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> ??

[PartysOver]

b/f 50 or whatever your normal amount is

[mikalina]

b/f ~60.

If he calls, I think I shove all non-spade turns, although I feel fairly confident that it's a leak.

Checking flop screams KK.

[KingGeedorah]

b/f 70

[Casper05]

why are you people folding?

[mikalina]

I am folding because the only logical raise here is an ace, although I suppose there are some 6s7s, 8s7s hands that can push here with decent equity, and other naked flush draws might get frisky in a 3bet pot.

Now that I think about it more, I think a lot of aces are flat calling the flop for value, which changes my thoughts about a shove. It's really marginal, but I might have to call a shove because aces below AJ and maybe AQ are flat calling the flop and I guess shoving with a flush draw is the only optimal play. Of course, you do then get screwed by 2-pair and sets... I'm not 100% on the math.

That's a start. Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Unknown Soldier]

b/f flop, c/f rest

[Scaramouche]

Why are we betting here? For value? As a bluff?
If this is a value bet we should call, right?

[pepper123]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post11521047


same hand basically

see for discussion about bet/fold vs bet/call

[Casper05]

This isnt the same hand- UTG cold-called with CO still to act. Im not folding this hand.