Turning Stone -- 15/30 LHE: Turn Decisions (Hand 1 of 2)

[magicmcq]

This is my first trip to Turning Stone; some friends and I headed up there for a little break from Foxwoods. When I got there, 1 15/30 game was going. I had been in the game about 2 hours, and had noticed extremely loose-passive play for the most part (some players calling 2 and even 3 cold with 73 suited). Interspersed among the fish were two decent players, both TAGish.

Anyway, to the hand.

Villains:

SWE: A middle-aged software engineer. I feel he respects my play, or at least views me as super tight. I have only shown down super-premium hands and I think he has taken notice. He seems a semi-decent player, though this is only based on a 2 hour sample of hands. I haven't seen him get out of line yet.

TA: Tilty Asian middle-aged gentleman. He has been spewing chips away at a high rate, and that rate seems to be increasing with each poor call he donates to the table. It seems he will play to the river with any pair, and even somewhat remote drawing hands.

I am in MP with KQo

SWE limps EP (something I haven't seen him do yet), folds to me, I raise, TA calls in SB, BB calls.

($120) Flop: Q 7 4 r

TA checks, BB checks, SWE bets, I raise, TA calls, BB folds, SWE calls.

($210) Turn: J

Checks to me, I bet, TA calls, SWE quickly cuts out 12 reds to raise. . .

Hero??????

[cowboy billy]

u sir, are a folding

[LukeSLTS]

I am regular at Turning Stone and it is very very rare for someone to raise the turn with less than two pair. If the tilty middle aged Asian man was Dung, than he can turn into a calling station when he is losing. I find it even less likely that the raise is a semibluff given the other player is still in the hand. He might have QJ and you could have three outs but more likely he has 77 and you are drawing dead.

[cgrohman]

T-O-A-S-T after TA call.

[Fnord]

Usually fold, sometimes I look him up.

[n.s.]

insta-muck. He's got QJ.

[Diana Ross Fan]

I'd fold based on the reads that you have provided. Congrats if you did. Double congrats on one hand per post [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[magicmcq]

I mucked pretty quickly to the raise, and AT called (as I knew he would).

That makes $360 in the pot, meaning I was getting 12-1 on a call. SWE ended up showing down J7 suited for two pair, leaving me 8 outs on the turn.

I was shocked to see his hand, and it made me question my fold (clearly I'd have called if I knew he had J7). However, you all are right, sets (44 and 77) and QJs would have been played the same way all the way through the hand, and are much more likely holdings, so a fold was certainly correct.

Thanks for the feedback.