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Old 08-21-2007, 01:21 PM
rubix rubix is offline
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Default turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

I was playing a $10/20 game at the Bellagio last weekend when the following interesting hand came up. Some of the details (irrelevant suits, exact bet amounts) might be a little off.

I raised with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] early position for $80, and got 4 callers, for a pot of $350. The flop came down 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I was first to act and bet out $280 and got 2 callers, for a pot of $1190. I felt it reasonable to put one guy on a 7 and the other on a flush draw. All three of us had fairly tight solid images.

The turn came the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], giving me top boat. Now was the interesting part. Second guy (grandpa) had about $3k behind him, and the other guy had about $4k behind, and I had both covered. What is my play here?

I thought carefully about my options - I ended up betting out $460, hoping to entice a call from the draw or a raise from the 7. Gramps called pretty quickly, and the other guy thought with a reluctant face for a long time before calling. At this point the pot was $2570. I knew gramps had the 7 and other guy had the draw.

Then the river came the case king, giving me the absolute nuts. What is my play here?

I felt my only chance to stacking either player was to fake a holding of AA and entice a bluff from the flush draw. What is the better way of accomplishing this: a check, or a protective bet of a few hundred?

Needless to say, I checked, and the flush draw started counting out his chips/bills with a menacing look on his face, but finally checked.

I was not very pleased with the outcome of this hand (the river turns out to be the 4th worst possible card for me), but was there something I should have done differently? Obviously, I could have stacked gramps if I had played it differently, but were there higher expectation plays out there? Both players commented that they had me on kings after my turn bet, so that is the play I am really curious about.
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Old 08-21-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

("got 4 callers" = "got 3 callers")
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Old 08-21-2007, 01:24 PM
king_of_drafts king_of_drafts is offline
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

Meh, river sucks, but you should still just bet a small amount to get guy with a 7 to call you. Nobody is gonna bluff this.
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

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Meh, river sucks, but you should still just bet a small amount to get guy with a 7 to call you. Nobody is gonna bluff this.

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Agreed, I also like a larger turn bet....or a c/r. Bet $775 on river as played.
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

i like a turn cr, as for river, u must bet , in this pot size not many are bluffing into two opponents in this spot on the river
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

river is for a check raise, disagree with rest of responses.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:08 PM
king_of_drafts king_of_drafts is offline
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

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river is for a check raise, disagree with rest of responses.

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Why, you think 7x is betting?
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

Eh, even if the 7 is going to bet the river, they're almost never going to call a raise, so what's the difference if you bet or they bet? I think you probably lose more from when the 7 checks behind than you could possibly gain from other scenarios.

Hmm... they both claimed they put you on KK on the turn. And they called. Riiiiight, sure they did.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

i think the turn bet is horrible, just as your opponents said it reaks of kings full.
against 1 player it could look like a stopbet but against 2 players i think it just screams strength.

either checkraise or bet 1K.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: turn/river play at Bellagio $10/20

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Both players commented that they had me on kings after my turn bet

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live players and their superior reads.
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