Avoiding to squeeze out the action with top set 2000NL

[dklars]

Hi there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The game is 2000NL 10 players at the table. I got a stack of 2600. Im dealt QQ one of the button.

Villian-1: is a new arriavel, never played him before, but in the 7 orbits his been there he has min raised preflop in ep a couple of times, and generally seems like a weak opponent. His stack is 1400

Villian-2: Never played him before aswell. He has been playing for around 10 orbits, and his vol.put. is 22.8 (around 100 hands) stack = 1900

Its folded around to villian 1 who min raise (40)
Villian 2 calls
I call behind with QQ
the two blinds call

so its 5 people to the flop:

FLOP: Q 9 8 (rainbow) pot = 200

Villian-1 bets 120, Villian-2 calls, I call, the rest of the players fold

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I choose to slowplay because:

Not much besides overpair that could give me action

Only draw oppertunity is an inside str8.

if somebody choose to play TJ, they already got a str8.

Lots of people in the pot, no harm in any of them getting a flushdraw or hit two pair.

If I raise after a bet and a call, its going to signal a lot af strengths, giving away my hand
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Turn: K (there is now two clubs on the board) POT = 560

Villian-1 chekcs, Villian-2 bets 500

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Im putting villian-1 on an overpair. He plays to loose, to be precise but nonetheless im pretty sure his out of the pot, so no reason allowing the pot to be small, trying to keep him in.

Im putting Villian-2 on one of the following:
set
two pair
overpair (the least likely)

So the task is reduced to get villian 2 pot committed?

Giving the action, raising would show great strength, and he might even fold a set?
On the other hand, if he fears a str8, it would be easier for him to call, when he still got outs?
If the board pairs, he does not get away with his set, and if he has two pairs it might give him a house
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I call, Villian-1 calls

Riwer 5 (no flush board) pot = 2000

Its checked to me, and I bet my last money in.

Villian-1 has to call 700 to win 2700
Villian-2 has to call 1200 to win 3200

Any comments, on my thoughts doing the hand would be greatly appreciated [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Kindly Lars Kristensen

[insyder19]

WOW, I only played 3/6 but could you please tell me where you are playing? Must be some home game because I have never seen so many donkeys including yourself on such limits.

1. You flat call a minumum raise with QQ in position?

2. You flop top set and flat call?

How can you let hands like 67 stay in the hand and even AT, Q9 who can make a straight and then your set is useless.

It's just WAY too risky, sorry.

[dklars]

Hi there..

@1. I agree that usually you should raise in that spot, but sometimes I find calling attractive becauase:
a. you raise out KQ,JQ,QT, and send a warning to all middle pairs 88,99,TT,JJ...hands you have dominated. If you ALWAYS raise, all pairs are gonna have a "flop set or fold" strategy, and you are only gonna get action when you far far behind.

2. I agree that its risky, but I dont thinks its -EV. If somebody got a str8, and you fill up its his whole stack. and he only got a 1/10 of hitting on turn - I thinks it an okay alternativ to ALWAYS raising top set.

Lars [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Morrek]

definitely reraise preflop, especially since it's vs a minraise where you should reraise a wide range to gain initiative and not let the donk see a "free" flop.

postflop is ok given it's 5way and you don't seem to have a very crazy image or anything. you do risk losing action on a scarecard though obviously.

[MatthijsH]

Please raise somewhere.

[corsakh]

UIGEA is now obsolete or is this party poker? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ps OP, I think this hand belongs to SSNL at best.

[dklars]

I was very much in doubt, wether to raise turn. But would any of you call a guy who reraised your turn bet, after flat calling preflop and flop? except with TJ ? ...

I see two scenarios:

Scenario 1:
he is the type who is willing to call a turn raise, in that case he is not going to fold to odds 1/3 on riwer?, so i really dont think that much is lost on playing this passive on the turn?

Scenario 2:
If he is planning on folding his set to a turn raise, he is proberly also gonna fold to my riwer bet. Only way to get his money in that case, is letting him fill up.

In short. Not much lost by just calling, a lot to win if board pairs...?


Lars

[75s]

LOL, raise the flop.

[AcidKnight]

sigh

[nutstoyou]

Basically the way you played this hand you were set-mining with QQ and it seemed to work out for you. But long-term it is a big mistake to play QQ this way.

I'm not sure why you posted. You seemed satisfied with with way you played the hand.