A 99 hand

Fantam · #1 08-11-2007, 03:31 PM

Table seemed a bit tight, with no one really seeming to get out of line. Having said that, weak hands were sometimes shown down.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

BB checks, Hero ???

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

The board seemed dry, and I called the flop and turn, in case I had the best hand. Value bet river when checked to ?

Aaron W. · #2 08-11-2007, 03:40 PM

I would probably just check. If he was bluffing, he's not calling; if he was value betting a J and got scared, he's not folding.

NIX · #3 08-11-2007, 04:04 PM

I check for all the reasons Aaron said.

Shillx · #4 08-11-2007, 04:08 PM

I'd bet. A lot of his good hands go out the window when he checks the river.

Niediam · #5 08-11-2007, 04:31 PM

I bet because he mostly likely has a small/medium pocket pair and will pay you off.

LoNeLyAcEs · #6 08-11-2007, 05:17 PM

R/F the turn, check the river

as played bet the river, unless opponent is known to be tricky

Aaron W. · #7 08-11-2007, 05:35 PM

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R/F the turn

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What does this accomplish?

LoNeLyAcEs · #8 08-11-2007, 05:49 PM

it's going to be 2 bets anyway so why not try a free showdown + fold equity, i would't want any overcards drawing here a KQ may fold and also any unpaired Kx,Ax maybe he called with TT and folds (although very unlikely) if villain 3 bets he likely has AJ or smth

HouseCalls · #9 08-11-2007, 05:56 PM

I can't see raising the turn but I have to admit my first thought was to raise the flop after the donk bet.

I think this is probably a pretty big leak in my game.

I've been reading stox book and it talks about c-betting neatly 100% of the time after you raise PF and get HU. He definitely puts a lot of emphasis on keeping the lead when possible.

I'm not sure how this applies when someone donks into me after a raise.

Any general rules on this situation when you raise PF and have a marginal hand post flop and face a donk bet?

Seems like against aggressive players this may become a WA/WB situation?

What about against passives?

This may be too general a question but the hand here is pretty close to ones I've been spewing with. If it is too general I'm sure I can post some others [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Fadook · #10 08-11-2007, 06:37 PM

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it's going to be 2 bets anyway so why not try a free showdown + fold equity, i would't want any overcards drawing here a KQ may fold and also any unpaired Kx,Ax maybe he called with TT and folds (although very unlikely) if villain 3 bets he likely has AJ or smth

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I took yet another read over the Free Showdown Play section in Stox's book, and this spot does seem to fulfill several of his conditions for making it. Villain may well be bluffing with 6 outs, and if we're behind, we don't have many outs and can fold to a 3-bet. I'd typically call, but there could be a case for raising.

EDIT: We also make an extra bet the times he does have overcards, calls anyway, and misses on the river.