Chasing gutshot straight to the river?

Hipsdontlie69 · #1 08-09-2007, 07:16 PM

Chasing gutshot straight to the river, no flush possibility and no pair, when do u do it?, only on big pots?, only in position?

How do play against gutshot chaser?

mntndrew · #2 08-09-2007, 07:35 PM

Very general question; very general answer is when implied pot odds warrant it, also keeping in mind the likelihood that another player may raise it could make your call -EV. Demand better odds to keep chasing if there's a flush draw on board, or you're drawing to a non-nut straight or a one-card straight. You also need to keep in mind how backdoor draws and overcards may add outs to your draw.

If you have a top pair hand with straight draws possible, try to protect your hand by playing it in a way that gutshot chasers will have to call two cold to stay in. If they're willing to do that and they catch, tell them "nh" and remind yourself you made money when they called your raise.

Hipsdontlie69 · #3 08-09-2007, 07:54 PM

Assuming there are no other outs but ur gutshot and ur closing the turn bets, big pot too, are u going to chase?

mntndrew · #4 08-09-2007, 08:08 PM

A lot of times you'll have odds to chase on the flop but not on the turn. With no flush draws out, I'll make the call on the flop getting 8:1 because I have an extra street to make up the bets, but I'd want at least 10:1 to keep going on the turn.

Hipsdontlie69 · #5 08-09-2007, 08:22 PM

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A lot of times you'll have odds to chase on the flop but not on the turn. With no flush draws out, I'll make the call on the flop getting 8:1 because I have an extra street to make up the bets, but I'd want at least 10:1 to keep going on the turn.

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well these people I played with everyday will call raise with gutshot straight and I see them get lucky everyday.

Let me give u an example, flop is A,3,8, I have AQ suited which I raised EP, 5 people called me, on the turn 3 people called me and I made my two pairs, Q was the turn card, river is a harmless 5, one person c/r me, he was holding 2,4 offsuit.

KitCloudkicker · #6 08-09-2007, 08:24 PM

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A lot of times you'll have odds to chase on the flop but not on the turn. With no flush draws out, I'll make the call on the flop getting 8:1 because I have an extra street to make up the bets, but I'd want at least 10:1 to keep going on the turn.

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well these people I played with everyday will call raise with gutshot straight and I see them get lucky everyday.

Let me give u an example, flop is A,3,8, I have AQ, pot is not too big, 5 people called me, on the turn 3 people called me and I made my two pairs, Q was the turn card, river is a harmless 5, one person c/r me, he was holding 2,4 offsuit.

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depending on how big the pot was, the guy holding 2/4 offsuit could have easily played his hand perfectly postflop.

in the long run though if they're calling with the wrong odds they're donating money.

mntndrew · #7 08-09-2007, 08:39 PM

And, even though he likely played his hand perfectly post-flop, you still made money on the flop and the turn. Say it was somehow heads up on the flop and the turn with the same pot size. He's getting 15:1 to call, so he's getting the right odds to continue from the pot. On the other hand, he has less than 20% equity, so over 80% of his bet that goes in on the flop is "yours." On the turn, he may still be getting the right odds to continue, but now over 90% of his turn bet is yours.

Hipsdontlie69 · #8 08-09-2007, 08:44 PM

How about this scenenario,
I'm holding KJo, flop is A,T,2,
turn is 8, big pot, turn bet closes on me, I called but misses, an hour later a loose player did the same thing, this time he was not closing the turn bet but got raised, he called that too and spiked a Q on the river, lucky bastard.

KitCloudkicker · #9 08-09-2007, 08:49 PM

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How about this scenenario,
I'm holding KJo, flop is A,T,2,
turn is 8, big pot, turn bet closes on me, I called but misses, an hour later a loose player did the same thing, this time he was not closing the turn bet but got raised, he called that too and spiked a Q on the river, lucky bastard.

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whats the question?

if it's "am I unlucky?" the answer is no.

Hipsdontlie69 · #10 08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

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How about this scenenario,
I'm holding KJo, flop is A,T,2,
turn is 8, big pot, turn bet closes on me, I called but misses, an hour later a loose player did the same thing, this time he was not closing the turn bet but got raised, he called that too and spiked a Q on the river, lucky bastard.

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whats the question?

if it's "am I unlucky?" the answer is no.

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sorry , I guess I just envy some people who hit their gutshot on the river, I only do it when the pot is big and when I'm closing the turn bet, Am I doing it right?