NL$600 KK against donk

[Tumez]

So this is very standard question. My friend and I disagreed this, so I wanted to ask what do you think.

Villian is 50/22/4 or so. Likes to overbet, bluff, and make weird plays. You know the type.

$3-6, 5-handed game. Villian has $900, hero covers.

Villian opens to $20 from MP, CO calls, Hero raises to $100 with KK from BTN, blinds fold, Villian calls, CO folds.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian checks, Hero bets $125, Villian raises to $300, Hero push or call? (and call/shove any turn, even Q or A)

I think this is easy call, cuz board is super dry, so its WA/WB. He could be bluffing, so we can let him bluff his hole stack, right? And if his got a Q, he´ll be probably stacking any how. Or should we shove this now?

[DanJ.]

yea, i call and get it in on all turns.

[Praetor]

either is fine, I personally call. I would shove OOP though

[BDaws]

I'd just shove. It eliminates the possibility of any scare cards or cards that improve his hand falling and I think we would be more likely to 3 bet bluff shove than call and shove any turn. He may look us up a bit lighter.

[Leptyne]

Given stack sizes it seems like less than a PSB will put him ai on the turn. With donks like this you can't be sure what is a safe turn. I put him all in now.

[kura0]

its basically only 6 cards we dont want to see on the turn versus him folding all weaker hands to a flop3bet, i really lean towards calling the raise and getting it in on the turn

[BDaws]

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its basically only 6 cards we dont want to see on the turn versus him folding all weaker hands to a flop3bet, i really lean towards calling the raise and getting it in on the turn

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You think he is that much more likely to call an open turn shove rather than a flop 3 bet?

[kura0]

pot will be 500 after our potential flopcall, so we just bet 400 again and he´ll call with a Q?
whats your point?

[AAismyfriend]

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either is fine, I personally call. I would shove OOP though

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[BDaws]

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pot will be 500 after our potential flopcall, so we just bet 400 again and he´ll call with a Q?
whats your point?

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Villain is going to be getting 1329 to 500, or 2.66 to 1 regardless of whether we open shove turn or 3betAI on the flop. If he is just as likely to call both, then why give him the chance to improve or allow for the possibility of scare cards to fall?

If we push the flop there is a higher chance we are bluffing with like AK or something too because if we call we are saying we have at least a marginal hand and not just overcards.

I will stop nitpicking though because either line is fine and the difference in the long run is probably extremely small.