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#1
08-09-2007, 11:32 AM
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3s4s
20-40 live.
It is folded to the cutoff who limps, folded to me in SB with 3d4d and I complete, BB checks. The flop: 8s8c9h It gets checked around. The turn: 8s8c9hJs I bet, BB folds, The cutoff raises(No read on him). What is my play? 
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#4
08-09-2007, 12:06 PM
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Re: 3s4s
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20-40 live. It is folded to the cutoff who limps, folded to me in SB with 3d4d and I complete, BB checks. The flop: 8s8c9h It gets checked around. The turn: 8s8c9hJs I bet, BB folds, The cutoff raises(No read on him). What is my play? [/ QUOTE ] The Gamblers Anonymous meeting starts at 7pm.
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#5
08-09-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: 3s4s
You guys are missing a ton of profit if you don't ever play like this. Granted, this is a clear muck, or at least turn your hand over and ask the table what they would do with it, because advertising is +EV. But I win a ton of money by betting the turn with air after a 'safe' looking card comes up. When someone calls my turn bet, it usually means the turn gave them a flush draw, and then I bet the river, hoping the river didn't pair their flush draw cards. Turn bet = +EV, anything after that, yuck.
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#6
08-09-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: 3s4s
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You guys are missing a ton of profit if you don't ever play like this. Granted, this is a clear muck, or at least turn your hand over and ask the table what they would do with it, because advertising is +EV. But I win a ton of money by betting the turn with air after a 'safe' looking card comes up. When someone calls my turn bet, it usually means the turn gave them a flush draw, and then I bet the river, hoping the river didn't pair their flush draw cards. Turn bet = +EV, anything after that, yuck. [/ QUOTE ] If you're the type of person who generally bets the turn on a J988 board with 43, even 3-ways, then you probably should be folding it preflop. The turn bet hits too many draws that you have to A) have miss and B) not raise you and C) you still have to fire the river. When they're going to call the river > 40% of the time it makes it a rather large mistake to bluff in this small of a pot with this holding. Rob
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#8
08-09-2007, 01:23 PM
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Re: 3s4s
OP: change the flop to 882 and bet it vs 2 tight/weak players and your steal is reasonable.
889J is not a good board for this, however. and if you wanted to make a move, you should have done it on the flop. actually, forget it, making a move on a 889 board is just bad period.
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#10
08-09-2007, 01:35 PM
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Re: 3s4s
yes, yes, yes, the board is TERRIBLE to bluff at on the flop against an open CO limper
however, betting the turn in this spot is a lot less terrible and I actually don't mind it all that much obv we fold when villain raises **EDIT** forgot to mention: I only bluff turn with SPECIFIC reads on both villains, CO in particular!
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