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#1
08-08-2007, 02:22 AM
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Bet this turn, or just give up?
You guys pop this turn again, or just call it a day? Villian unknown.
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 5.16 BB 
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#2
08-08-2007, 02:46 AM
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Re: Bet this turn, or just give up?
I think iam likely to check unless villain is passive and peels any two.
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#3
08-08-2007, 04:16 AM
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Re: Bet this turn, or just give up?
If I get checkraised here by an unknown I'll fold. He has no reason to believe that you don't have anything for risking 2BB for winning a small pot.
I think preflop and flop is just fine, but you must assume when playing against an unknown that he is sane untill otherwise proved. So what will a sane person call with on a rainbow flop(we are considering whether to bet the turn). The 3 most likely hands are 1) a pair of 5's - we beat them all(better kicker) 2) a pair of 8's - we are drawing to 5 outs at best. 3) a pair of Q's - we are drawing to 5 outs at best. There are other possibilities like weak draws like gutshot or OESD(67). Furthermore he could just peel the flop with nothing. And third he could have a set. Let's just assume that the setpossibilities and the weak drawing possibilities cancel out. Then we have to go back to the 3 most likely hands which we will be behind against 2/3 of the time. This speaks for a check on the turn and a call on the riverbet because we get odds to call if we are a 1/3 dog. Furthermore we may improve on the river and could raise.
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#4
08-08-2007, 05:44 AM
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Re: Bet this turn, or just give up?
[ QUOTE ]
I think iam likely to check unless villain is passive and peels any two. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a bet. But its close. There is still a lot of draws that didnt get there and Hero can still get value from worse 5's. Another reason why I like betting is that I wouldnt know how to handle a river bet. I doubt that Hero will be good very often if he checks turn and calls a river bet. Finally, I think its important to c-bet enough turns so that villains cant peel any2 OOP on the flop and see a free river. Oh, and I will fold to a raise here. Not enough draws and not enough reads. At higher stakes I would bet/cal down trying to establish that "unbluffable-I-will-c'bet-a-lot-of-turns" image
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#7
08-08-2007, 12:19 PM
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Re: Bet this turn, or just give up?
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[ QUOTE ] I think iam likely to check unless villain is passive and peels any two. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a bet. But its close. There is still a lot of draws that didnt get there and Hero can still get value from worse 5's. Another reason why I like betting is that I wouldnt know how to handle a river bet. I doubt that Hero will be good very often if he checks turn and calls a river bet. Finally, I think its important to c-bet enough turns so that villains cant peel any2 OOP on the flop and see a free river. Oh, and I will fold to a raise here. Not enough draws and not enough reads. At higher stakes I would bet/cal down trying to establish that "unbluffable-I-will-c'bet-a-lot-of-turns" image [/ QUOTE ] Which draws didnt get there on the turn? I only see 97 and 67. I do agree with your other points though.
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