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Old 08-06-2007, 04:51 PM
Daniel2k7 Daniel2k7 is offline
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Default 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t240)
MP2 (t1850)
MP3 (t2340)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1420)
Hero (t1540)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1660)
UTG+1 (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t60</font>, BB calls t60, MP2 calls t60, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t260) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t140</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t320</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t180.

River: (t900) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t300</font>, Hero calls t300.

Final Pot: t1500

c/c Turn?
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:53 PM
FGators FGators is offline
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Default Re: 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

Eh, I think you played this ok though you are like never good on the river.

His hand looks exactly like a flopped flush.

I'd usually pass up the odds and consider folding the river.
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

C/C the turn might allow AcX to see a free card, so I don't think that is a good play.

Your turn bet is fine, I might bet a little more (200ish). His raise is puzzling, it could be a flush, two pair, or just a pair of queens. I can't see a hand we beat raise the turn, then betting on the river. I would call the turn raise and check/fold the river if a Q/K or club do not show up. If we improve to trips, two pair, or a flush, I'm value betting and calling a push.
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

Looks fine, I can see what people are saying about the river, but there's no way I'd be able to fold when playing the hand getting 4:1.
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:26 PM
Daniel2k7 Daniel2k7 is offline
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Default Re: 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

@illini: Why are you inclined to go broke on the river if you improve to trips or two pair. Most hands that have us beat already, will have us still beat.
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

I like a turn check.
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: 22/180: TopPair + 2nd nutflushdraw on 3 suited board

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@illini: Why are you inclined to go broke on the river if you improve to trips or two pair. Most hands that have us beat already, will have us still beat.

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I'm more inclined to go broke if we improve because:

1) If a Q hits, we still might be behind to a boat, but we now beat something like 76 that might have called the flop and led the turn.

2) If a king hits, we are now firmly ahead of all two-pair hands.

3) If a club hits (which is what we are rooting for), we take the pot over all flushs, except the nut flush.

Obv, we are rooting for a club, but I think I go broke on a K, and maybe a Q as well. You aren't dead in the water on the turn, you still have a good # of likely outs. That's why I don't mind calling the turn raise, even though we are likely behind at this point.
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