Is it possbile? (A video poker theory question)

zuluking · #1 08-26-2007, 07:04 PM

Is it possible for some with a 25K bankroll to play $1 Deuces Wild or Jacks or Better full pay machines, and live, clothe, and eat their way through locals' casinos in Vegas for one year?

In other words, never pay for a meal, clothing, or a room. The only outlay of monies, besides the VP play, would be occasional expenses for something else. i.e. Toothpaste, laundry service, etc.

Thremp · #2 08-26-2007, 08:26 PM

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Is it possible for some with a 25K bankroll to play $1 Deuces Wild or Jacks or Better full pay machines, and live, clothe, and eat their way through locals' casinos in Vegas for one year?

In other words, never pay for a meal, clothing, or a room. The only outlay of monies, besides the VP play, would be occasional expenses for something else. i.e. Toothpaste, laundry service, etc.

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Likely yes. You'd be doing a ton of legwork though.

playersare · #3 08-26-2007, 11:08 PM

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Is it possible for some with a 25K bankroll to play $1 Deuces Wild or Jacks or Better full pay machines, and live, clothe, and eat their way through locals' casinos in Vegas for one year?

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there is a huge difference mathematically between $1 Deuces Wild and Jacks or Better. most notably the fact that $1 Deuces Wild (full pay) doesn't exist.

pure theory, could you VP comp whore for long periods of time? probably. but I'm thinking more in terms of maybe a month or two, not a whole year. a year is a LONG time. most casinos will cap the maximum number of comp days you can stay in one trip, and weekends can always be tough even in the sticks. by playing only the best games with the lowest theo, you may find some places won't take you at all during certain peak times of the year, in favor of donkier players.

$1 JoB is still not an advantage play in of itself in the long run. at high speed, you're still "spending" $20-25/hr before comps and CB, and that's INCLUDING the occasional royal factored in. if you can master 10/7 DB, you might be able to scratch out $10/hr or so over time. besides the denom-based earning caps on 100%+ machines, you also may have a problem with casinos who frown on players who ONLY play the +EV paytables. at the very least, it would be advisable to mix in some low limit BJ counting and poker play between VP sessions.

you will likely need a car, or master the CAT bus system in order to reach the scattered locals joints that have the selections of machines you want.

I've had 2 stays of 10+ days in vegas this year (one more coming in Nov/Dec) paying next to nothing except airfare, local transportation, internet and tips. I could probably do a month before going nuts. a year is incomprehensible. but then again, I have a life.

Photoc · #4 08-27-2007, 05:57 PM

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Is it possible for some with a 25K bankroll to play $1 Deuces Wild or Jacks or Better full pay machines, and live, clothe, and eat their way through locals' casinos in Vegas for one year?

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Not going to happen. $1 dueces +EV game doesn't exist. The highest is .25 Dueces. The Jacks are tough to find. 9/6 is about all you'll find now if there are even any 10/6's left out there.

Thremp · #5 08-27-2007, 06:07 PM

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Is it possible for some with a 25K bankroll to play $1 Deuces Wild or Jacks or Better full pay machines, and live, clothe, and eat their way through locals' casinos in Vegas for one year?

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Not going to happen. $1 dueces +EV game doesn't exist. The highest is .25 Dueces. The Jacks are tough to find. 9/6 is about all you'll find now if there are even any 10/6's left out there.

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Wouldn't you be able to swing this stuff with comps etc? Cruising around the entire city?

Photoc · #6 08-27-2007, 07:55 PM

They casinos have all adjusted those "comps" to still not add up to more than 100% payback on VP on 99.9% of the machines in town. Most give .1-.3% back with a a 99.1% return machine. Still doesn't get to over 100.

Thremp · #7 08-27-2007, 08:47 PM

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They casinos have all adjusted those "comps" to still not add up to more than 100% payback on VP on 99.9% of the machines in town. Most give .1-.3% back with a a 99.1% return machine. Still doesn't get to over 100.

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Word. I've seen a couple mentions on vpFree where they'll list multi-point days but a significant number have exclusions etc and I'm sure they'd eventually shut you down. A year is a long long time too. And the hours would be absurd. If you stepped the coinage up to take advantage of some of the bigger promos... This could really start to happen quickly.

playersare · #8 08-28-2007, 09:00 AM

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They casinos have all adjusted those "comps" to still not add up to more than 100% payback on VP on 99.9% of the machines in town. Most give .1-.3% back with a a 99.1% return machine. Still doesn't get to over 100.

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maybe just on the strip. locals and downtown (which is what OP was referring to), there are plenty of 100%+ opportunities off the top even before comps and CB are factored in. several times this year I've had plays over 101%+ net to work with.

zuluking · #9 08-28-2007, 10:02 AM

Do locals' casinos still do specials where you get double or triple points on certain days? Would that be one way to wrack up the comps?

Thremp · #10 08-28-2007, 10:52 AM

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Do locals' casinos still do specials where you get double or triple points on certain days? Would that be one way to wrack up the comps?

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I'm sure there are more than just a few casinos that do this everywhere. My local yokel ones have some 99.9% payout machines at a the $5 coin level and 2x and 4x days at a std .277% comp rate. Too bad the roll I need to play these is absurd, and the hourly is somewhat meh.