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Old 07-31-2007, 06:08 PM
tarath tarath is offline
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Default Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

Basically the game would be identical to poker except that when players went all-in, rather than dealing out the rest of the hand and determining a winner, each player would recieve the percentage of the pot that they would win in the long run.

ie. Any all-in would be a fixed payout based on the expected value of that players hand rather than a random event based on drawing the remaining cards from the deck.

Example:

AK and 33 go all in preflop, no cards are dealt, AK gets 48% of the pot 33 gets 52%.

This would have no strategic impact on the gameplay of poker assume players are attempting to maximize their EV so it would preserve all the strategy that makes poker a great game, however it would be very hard to define this game as gambling. Payoffs never depend directly on a random event in this setting.
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

This would be a push fest and donks wouldnt play it.

Also i dont like limit but it would get rid of it.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:51 PM
rminusq rminusq is offline
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as poker

Fixed your subject.

As soon as I saw the subject, I figured that's what you were suggesting. Reasons why it wouldn't work...
Side pots: Are they allowed to exist?
Chip size: If we go in for $5 each with $1 chips, and you're a 54-46 favorite, do we each get 5 back?
Tournaments: It's now essentially impossible to knock someone out.
Live play: Besides the fact that most people wouldn't necessarily trust a dealer with figuring out the chop, that'd certainly slow the play down.

All that and it'd make poker not exciting enough for bad people to come in and lose money.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:22 PM
PBJaxx PBJaxx is offline
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as poker

People have talked about a game like this forever.

It would completely ruin the game, and it would not be poker.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:41 PM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as poker

I heard the chips used in this game would be called Sklansky bucks.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

What happens if no one goes all-in?
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:54 PM
Quanah Parker Quanah Parker is offline
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

Sounds like the most exciting card game since "War".
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

I'm sorry, but never playing cards again anywhere>this new poker.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:09 AM
Yoshi63 Yoshi63 is offline
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

Yeah I 'came up' with this idea the other night. Obviously it would be a horrible game to play for many reasons. However, I thought a game like this could prove useful as a training/practice technique.
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Old 08-02-2007, 10:20 AM
jsthomas64 jsthomas64 is offline
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Default Re: Would this rule change to poker make it not count as gambling

To answer your actual question I don't think this would take "gambling" out of poker. If nobody goes all-in and a donk calls down to the river and hits a one-outer you haven't changed anything about the game.

As another poster noted, this question is addresses one facet of no-limit hold 'em - not the structure of the game itself. You might not realize it, but there are a lot of other types of poker out there. Pot Limit Omaha being a very popular one!

Oh yeah - this might have slipped by you - POKER IS GAMBLING!!! It has a higher level of skill, but it is without a doubt gambling.
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