QJs and the double donk

Riku · #1 07-26-2007, 05:21 AM

Villain was unknown.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero... calls down ?

tyler_cracker · #2 07-26-2007, 05:37 AM

i'm torn on the flop raise. maybe just call and let him keep firing with a worse Q or an underpair?

the calldown looks a little thin as we need to be best 1 in ~5 times and that card is quite sucky, but i'd do it once and make a note.

JJack · #3 07-26-2007, 05:39 AM

this play is too strange so i call donw and make note about villian if u fold its probably too weak
On the other hand pot is steal small so fold could be also good.
Is fold and call down close?

Riku · #4 07-26-2007, 05:45 AM

If we just call, i think we need to put in a raise somewhere, yes ? My plan would be to raise the turn.

Yes, the A sucks, but i really couldn't decide because of the pot size. Make it smaller, i can fold, make it bigger, i can call.

Zeldark · #5 07-26-2007, 06:15 AM

My instinct is to fold. Pot's just too small.

Sushiglutton · #6 07-26-2007, 07:05 AM

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Hero... calls down ?

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Agaisnt unknown, I think u have to.

NIX · #7 07-26-2007, 11:29 AM

Yeah, I call down and make a note. If you're gonna have the opportunity to isolate this guy later, it would be nice to know what he's donking with.

NIX · #8 07-26-2007, 11:30 AM

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i'm torn on the flop raise. maybe just call and let him keep firing with a worse Q or an underpair?

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This is my standard line in this situation. Board is dry, so I'd pop him on the turn rather than the flop.

shuinthehouse · #9 07-26-2007, 11:37 AM

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Villain was unknown.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero... calls down ?

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you get 5.75:1 immediate, but you have to call the river which villain will likely bet, so you are getting 6.75:2, I don't think you are good that often against a typical 5./1 villain, and I don't think the value of the read is enough to make this +EV.

Befolder · #10 07-26-2007, 11:52 AM

Grunch.

I hate when this happens, but I usually see it in these cases.

Villain flopped a pair of some sort and then turned two pair after being raised.
Villain bluffed w/ ace high and then hit it on turn.
Villain flopped top pair, got raised and then still bet it on turn.
A smart villain may also bet a set as well.

I'm going to guess it's two pair on the flop and give the villain either A2s or A3s.