PS $5.50 MTT - A366 gets a set and second nut low draw

[greggg230]

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1045
UTG+1: t3500
Hero: t5331
MP2: t5030
CO: t3498
Button: t1417
SB: t1752
BB: t1340

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t150)</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t400</font>, 2 folds, Button calls t400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t650)</font>, SB calls t350 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1050)</font>, BB folds, UTG calls t300 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1400)</font>.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t1700, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets ???</font>

Thoughts on pre-flop and flop are most appreciated.

[StrikeR300]

I like a limp pf, &amp; a pot on the flop.

PF: Hand can hit huge, get quartered easily, &amp; overall prefers more players in the pot

Flop: Charge'em straight draws/low + nothing's

[greggg230]

Well, something I should have pointed out in the OP is that a pot-sized bet will put all of my opponents all-in, and people at this level call like crazy, so I don't think I have much FE. Does that change anything or should I be willing to let the chips fly?

[BlueBear]

Limp preflop, pot the flop.

[greggg230]

I believe we're playing together atm Blue [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Buzz]

Greg - Unless SB and UTG+1 are trusting someone behind them to bet, if either has a set, they should have bet it to protect it. The turn could easily enable a straight. (More turn cards enable a straight than don't).

Since SB and UTG+1 have both checked this flop, it seems highly unlikely (but not impossible) either of them has flopped a higher set.

If neither has a higher set, that only leaves Button, who is 96% or 97% (something in that range) unlikely to have a set. With the slight possibility somebody ahead of you is slow playing a flopped set, maybe make it about 95% (or twenty to one) nobody else has a set here. And even if somebody does have a higher set, you might eke out a win for low.

Meanwhile your own set, although highly likely to be the current best hand at the table, is very vulnerable.

Thus on the second betting round, I think you should bet the pot and hope your opponents concede to you. Your hand/flop is simply not strong enough to slow play.

Going back to the first betting round, with three players yet to act behind you on the pre-flop betting round, you do not have very good position for a pot limit game. But I don't know how good your starting hand is from that position for a pot-limit game, or what your best move is before the flop. I'll be interested to see what the regular pot limit players have to say about it.

Edit - I wrote this while others were responding - took me a while to compose my thoughts.

Buzz

[PorkPieHat]

Since you raised preflop, anything other than a pot bet would look odd. Your opponents are likely to look you up with a wide range of crap since they can put you on an A2 type of hand due to your raise. They will also call you with any A2 hand as well.

[bbartlog]

You have to bet pot on the flop.
I think the preflop raise is quite bad. Even if it had been folded to you, which it hadn't, it would be questionable. A366 just isn't that strong. Now maybe as the big stack you figure to bully people, but it doesn't look like these players are giving you a lot of credit for your raise...

[Truthiness24]

This isn't even close.