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Old 07-22-2007, 07:52 PM
Grandezza Grandezza is offline
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Default 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

Just sat so no reads

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $192.60
CO: $196
Button: $87.10
SB: $236.90
Hero: $251.45

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $36</font>, Hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($108, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $77</font>

I think the only problem with this is that I wouldn't play the nut flush draw this way. Is this a problem?

I'd also like to ask how you generally play stuff like top two or top and bottom with the nut flush draw. Do you keep the pot small hoping to keep worse hands in knowing that not a lot of cards can hurt your hand? Or do you try to get it AI vs a draw that you're a big favorite over with the risk of getting AI vs something like top or second set?
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Old 07-22-2007, 08:08 PM
slowhand5 slowhand5 is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

This is a really read dependent play. If you think he can drop a set of Aces or Kings here go ahead and bet this. The way you've played it the flush draw is a very likely holding for you.
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Old 07-22-2007, 08:25 PM
RoundTower RoundTower is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

I think you can definitely have the nut flush draw (or lower flush draw here), I think this is good against an unknown.
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Old 07-22-2007, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

yes
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Old 07-22-2007, 08:58 PM
sc000t sc000t is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

I think this should work. Don't think you shoulda made it to the river though. I'm folding on the flop and the turn here in your spot.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:12 PM
alavet alavet is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

its okay
but as said sc00t call at the turn is terrible
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:19 PM
Elrazor Elrazor is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 busted wrap represents flush

the problem with playing your hand like this is better opponents will soon figure you out and begin to bet into you with draws and then check when they hit

as played the flop call is ok, but the turn is poor - ignoring that you might be able to win on the river with a bluff, your 6 clean outs mean you would need to win $156 on the river for this to be a =EV play - even if we count the flush cards as 'outs' you are still only 1.93-1 to hit, assuming he dosent have blockers and the pot is laying you 2-1
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