200NL: QQ 5bet

[yeesh]

Villain is a solid reg., probably one of you guys. I was playing around 16/14. Is this ever profitable on villain's part? I'd like to know when you would ever 5bet QQ against a non donk.

No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $1,390.20
BB: $212.55
Hero (UTG): $200.00
MP: $407.35
CO: $499.40
BTN: $212.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $24.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $75.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $212.55</font>, Hero calls all-in for $125.00
Uncalled bet of $12.55 returned to BB

Flop: ($401) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($401) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($401) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $401.00 ($3 Rake)

BB had Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON (+$198.00)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Ace King high) and LOST (-$200.00)

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

if you think the guy is capable of calling with JJ/TT/AK its probably ok?

[ofishstix]

if you think he's solid and are surprised that he would 5bet with qq there, shouldnt you be folding your ak?

i hope that makes sense.

[AnthonyH]

In my experience calling the 5-bet with AK here against all but the donkiest of donks is spew.

[shpanko]

In my experience 4-betting with AK and then folding with 100 BB stacks is spew.

[Check_The_Nuts]

I think 4betting AK without a lot of history of 4betting light is spew....

[yeesh]

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In my experience calling the 5-bet with AK here against all but the donkiest of donks is spew.

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really? I hope I did this math right. I'm getting 2.2:1 to call, and pstove says,

Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 78295380 89232168.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 174740892 89232168.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

so doesn't this make a call correct here?

[yeesh]

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I think 4betting AK without a lot of history of 4betting light is spew....

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Isn't this more reason for QQ to fold here?

[Check_The_Nuts]

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In my experience calling the 5-bet with AK here against all but the donkiest of donks is spew.

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really? I hope I did this math right. I'm getting 2.2:1 to call, and pstove says,

Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 78295380 89232168.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 174740892 89232168.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

so doesn't this make a call correct here?

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you might not get any money in if he has KK on an A high flop and definitely won't get much/any if he has QQ on an A high flop. so you basically get outplayed postflop as a result unless u manage to bluff him out of a lot of pots.

[yeesh]

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In my experience calling the 5-bet with AK here against all but the donkiest of donks is spew.

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really? I hope I did this math right. I'm getting 2.2:1 to call, and pstove says,

Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 78295380 89232168.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 174740892 89232168.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

so doesn't this make a call correct here?

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you might not get any money in if he has KK on an A high flop and definitely won't get much/any if he has QQ on an A high flop. so you basically get outplayed postflop as a result unless u manage to bluff him out of a lot of pots.

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the 5bet was all in, so there is no flop play.