Sunday Million Hand

[PrimordialAA]

OK, sorry it's unconverted, the guy who had AQ had seemed pretty bad before, stabbed at bad pots and couldnt make fantastic laydowns, playing behind quite a bit.

Now my question is, I think he has to stab any pot w/ AK, any draw, any pp, etc., to isolate for the 90k dead chips, friend says he raises a Q or better only... guidance please good players =/


PokerStars Game #11081071809: Tournament #55435239, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2007/07/22 - 20:19:32 (ET)
Table '55435239 165' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pilgrim2 (28404 in chips)
Seat 2: PrimordialAA (83858 in chips)
Seat 3: NestOfSalt (51369 in chips)
Seat 4: BustRNuts (35282 in chips)
Seat 5: ylpimp (109426 in chips)
Seat 6: Zecke (43338 in chips)
Seat 7: zippy52 (283255 in chips)
Seat 8: tortuga0981 (76730 in chips)
Seat 9: Nielis90 (22910 in chips)
pilgrim2: posts the ante 300
PrimordialAA: posts the ante 300
NestOfSalt: posts the ante 300
BustRNuts: posts the ante 300
ylpimp: posts the ante 300
Zecke: posts the ante 300
zippy52: posts the ante 300
tortuga0981: posts the ante 300
Nielis90: posts the ante 300
zippy52: posts small blind 1500
tortuga0981: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PrimordialAA [Jh Js]
Nielis90: folds
pilgrim2: calls 3000
PrimordialAA: raises 14500 to 17500
NestOfSalt: folds
BustRNuts: folds
ylpimp: folds
Zecke: folds
zippy52: calls 16000
tortuga0981: folds
pilgrim2: raises 10604 to 28104 and is all-in
PrimordialAA: calls 10604
zippy52: calls 10604
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3d 9s]
zippy52: bets 23000
PrimordialAA: raises 32454 to 55454 and is all-in
zippy52: calls 32454
*** TURN *** [Qd 3d 9s] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 3d 9s 2d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zippy52: shows [Qc Ah] (a pair of Queens)
PrimordialAA: shows [Jh Js] (a pair of Jacks)
zippy52 collected 110908 from side pot
pilgrim2: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings)
pilgrim2 collected 90012 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 200920 Main pot 90012. Side pot 110908. | Rake 0
Board [Qd 3d 9s 2d 8c]
Seat 1: pilgrim2 showed [Kd Kh] and won (90012) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: PrimordialAA showed [Jh Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: NestOfSalt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BustRNuts folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ylpimp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Zecke (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: zippy52 (small blind) showed [Qc Ah] and won (110908) with a pair of Queens
Seat 8: tortuga0981 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Nielis90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[wulfpacker21]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 (t28404)
Hero (t83858)
MP2 (t51369)
MP3 (t35282)
CO (t109426)
Button (t43338)
SB (t283255)
BB (t76730)
UTG (t22910)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t3000, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t17500</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls t16000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t28404</font>, Hero calls t10604, SB calls t10604.

Flop: (t85212) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t23000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t55454</font>, SB calls t32454.

Turn: (t196120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: (t196120) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t196120

[markbris]

Yea I dont see him betting here without something that beats you. Theres no money in the sidepot and you were the one that raised preflop so I dont know why he would come out firing into a dry sidepot into the preflop raiser without a good hand.

[Indiana]

ur beat, toss on flop

[shadypac]

theres alot of other ways u could have handled this. I dont think pushing preflop to isolate is a bad play, if you decide to call i would def fold flop. I also wouldnt raise so much pre because on the flop you have almost half your stack in already because you had to at least call UTG since it was only 10k more.

In a nutshell I would raise like 10k maybe Pre and push to isolate if i decided to play the hand.

[PrimordialAA]

I couldn't push to isolate because his reraise size was less than my raise [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], or else that was my obvious play, so call/fold were the only options pre-flop, but even with limpers ahead it should be 10k here?

[SuperUberBob]

Raise less preflop. Fold on flop given previous action.

[Indiana]

[ QUOTE ]
Raise less preflop. Fold on flop given previous action.

[/ QUOTE ]

yah the raise preflop was waaaaaay too big. i was confused about that.

[Cornell Fiji]

When there is a shortish limper and you have a hand worth raising you should ALWAYS raise an amount that will allow you to shove if he goes all in.

It makes no sense for the limper to do anything but fold or shove against your raise and not raising an amount that will reopen the betting is a pretty big error.

Also: "sorry its unconverted" = sorry that I feel like my time is so valuable that I can't be bothered to google 'hand converter' or find the link to a hand converter and post in an easy to read format here. In fact, I am not sorry. I want you guys to take your time to help me become a better player but I don't care enough about you to even bother to convert my hand.

Or at least thats how I read it.

[PrimordialAA]

It wasn't meant like that, it was giving me weird html errors convering errors, and wouldnt work, and secondly, the saddest part of the hand, I didn't realize the rule on re-opening the betting... so if they cannot raise more than the amount you raised ot them over the top betting cannot be re-opened? correct?