AK hand vs other big stack Stars $25K ...okay deep gamble or overplay

[ssnyc]

Stars $25 tourney...haven't played much deepstack but we started with 3000...fun rollercoaster beginning at bad table...I was up to 4K and had my AK cracked by KJ and was down to 900 or so...fought back to 6500 and this hand came up...

villan was solid and i think he knew that i was raising with premium hands but he was tricky and liked to put players to the test...Part of me also felt like I was on borrowed time but is this a bad spot to gamble vs other big stack...I definitely felt I could outplay a lot of the players so I didnt need to gamble but folding and just calling OOP both seemed so awkward

PokerStars Game #11028252184: Tournament #55429434, $25.00+$2.50
Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/19 - 20:56:56 (ET)
Table '55429434 56' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: --- (11130 in chips)
Seat 2: villan (6245 in chips)
Seat 3: --- (2910 in chips)
Seat 4: lordhuttyx (1880 in chips)
Seat 5: --- (3145 in chips)
Seat 6: --- (9393 in chips)
Seat 7: --- (3770 in chips)
Seat 8: hero (6520 in chips)
Seat 9: --- (5010 in chips)
---: posts small blind 50
---: posts big blind 100

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Kc Ah]
1 fold
hero: raises 200 to 300
2 folds
villan: raises 1100 to 1400
4 folds
hero: raises 1600 to 3000
villan: raises 3245 to 6245 and is all-in
hero: calls 3245

[8Adam8]

your 4bet is embarassingly bad

[ssnyc]

8adam8...elaborate please

[8Adam8]

why are you minraising a 3bet OOP with AKos?

When you clicked "raise" to make this bet, what purpose did you feel it accomplished?

[ssnyc]

i guess a better question is am I looking to get it in here or not? If I push after his reraise is that better? I can't see calling and I guess folding to that big a bet isnt all bad...it seemed almost too big though for AA or KK...If I don't have him on KK+ do I gamble here to get a huge stack?

[8Adam8]

Stop thinking about "gambling" and "fighting the big stack" and all this nonsense.

Make good, +EV decisions.

Raise to 300 is good, you get 3bet to 1400, if he has 3bet before or is capable or doing so with a widish range of hands, then shove.

Shoving > folding > calling > that stupid 4bet

[ssnyc]

Thanks...the last equation is more of what I was looking for...I agree the bet was weak but intention was to get it in as I thought I was 50/50 at worst and the value of the extra chips at the table would be substantial

[Dunkman]

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Thanks...the last equation is more of what I was looking for...I agree the bet was weak but intention was to get it in as I thought I was 50/50 at worst and the value of the extra chips at the table would be substantial

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Shoving over the 3bet is fine. What adam is saying is that the weak 4bet accomplishes nothing. If you shove, you never know, you may fold out hands like 99-JJ that 3bet. You may fold out AQ as well, but that's fine, because AQ probably isn't putting money in after the flop if they miss, and they may bluff you out of the pot if you both miss. Given the overlay in the pot, it is very beneficial for you to fold other pairs with a shove, since they are a slight favorite anyway, and with the pot odds they'd have a super easy call if they knew you had AK. Finally, AK is pretty much flipping with QQ and down if it gets to see 5 cards. If it only gets to see 3 cards, it is a substantial underdog. So calling then check/folding if you miss (or god forbid stacking off after you brick the flop) is putting yourself at a big disadvantage. Now, you may think that you'll make up for that by getting value out of the pair when you hit your AK, but that's not true either, since they see the overs and will often get away without losing too many more chips.

[mayesie]

I doubt this villain is "putting you to the test", since you're an early-position raiser at the 50/100 level.

It's early in the tournament, and I still have ~60BB. Thus, I fold to the 1400 chip reraise without a read (i.e. villain is capable of making this play early with hands like AQ, AJ, and lower pairs).

[ssnyc]

mayesie...calling was not an option and I think I knew I very little or no FE...It was a call or fold spot and I figured the value of a really deep stack was worth it to me if I could win the race