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Old 07-18-2007, 06:40 PM
LMON LMON is offline
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Default NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

villain: 24.67/9.54/2.16/21.21 over 283 hands


Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($132.75)
UTG ($202.80)
MP ($171.00)
CO ($200.40)
Button ($222.65)
Hero ($210.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.00.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $7</font>, CO (poster) calls $5, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $31</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $24, CO calls $24.

Flop: ($95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $70</font>, MP folds, CO calls $70.

Turn: ($235) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero...

I think in general it's obvious what I have to do, but I want a little feedback since I don't know what villain could holding, so I would be very thankful if somebody could write his thoughts about villain's possible holdings and based on that what's the best line here, also I want to know if my preflop and flop play were ok.
Thank you.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

youre basically hoping he has AKhh AQhh when you push the turn. I would bet the flop around 60ish and when either of them calls I would seriously consider dumping the hand. villain has also called your 3bet cold which would strongly indicate 22, 44 (he called only after MP callled too), JJ or QQ to me and he must know what to put you on when you lead strong into 2 in a reraised pot.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

Thank you for your thoughts, but have you seen our stacks? I mean, if I lead the flop with 60 and villain calls, the pot contains 215$, our effective stack is 109$ so would you really consider dropping the hand?
What would you do on the turn check/fold to a shove of villain?
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

maybe Im giving players of the 20ish/10-15ish type too much credit when they call big bets in reraised pots, but I just dont think he would be calling you with less than a set here. cant think of a hand.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

With stack sizes you have to push this turn. While we aren't beating alot, we are only behind a set, and some bad villains would call flop with like Kj Aj maybe flush draw? I have to think we are beating enough of his range to make this good.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

no offense Flixx but you are very nitty post flop. Every thread I read you are advocating folding to any sort of pressure.

As for this hand we have ~110 left with over $200 on the pot. We have a good overpair, and there is a flush draw out there. It sucks if villain has a set but we have to put our stack in here and hope for the best. CO didn't have set odds to call the reraise pf so if he hit a set on us oh well, but you gotta stick the rest of your stack in.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

no thats fine, I know I am nitty and I want to improve my game . I guess the best way is to get criticized thats why I take part in discussions even if I advise nitty plays [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

Flixx: If stacks were like 200+ BB's I'd def prob recommend a check/fold, but with a 2:1 pot to stack ratio we really don't have any choice but to stick it in and hope for the best.
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

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Old 07-18-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: NL200SH; what to do on the turn with KK?

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