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Old 07-14-2007, 11:21 PM
Prodigy54321 Prodigy54321 is offline
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Default 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

decent may be an understatement..I haven't been paying excellent attention to him, but from what I have seen...he plays well...he is 25/19 over about 300 hands

couldn't figure out what the hell he could have here..

I hadn't seen him call down in a hand like this before..he was always raising or folding...raising big at that when he flopped a set or something

on the river, I was going to put out a bet and fold to a raise...then errr...I dunno, I checked to induce a bluff [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] but I was clueless here..I payed to see what he had [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

any thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.10
UTG+1: $0
CO: $34.15
Button: $36.35
Hero: $24.75
BB: $45.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1.25, 6 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.25, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12.25</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $36.75
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:38 PM
Ikaika Ikaika is offline
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

Is this a situation where bet/folding the river would be better than checking like this?
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:00 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

If you check to induce a bluff, you've got to call it. If you don't want to do that, then you are better just betting $8-9 on the river and folding to a shove.

BB could have anything here pf, so his VPIP and PFR don't really help.

Depending on his AF, I put him on a hand that is afraid of a fourth [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (like 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3:heart) or a hand that needs the fourth [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], (like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7)
W/O a read, I'd throw it away. I don't make big plays w/o reads.

What was his AF?
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

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What was his AF?

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I can't remember..is there any way to find that stat?
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

Click on his name in PT and scroll to the right until it gets to Total AF.
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

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Click on his name in PT and scroll to the right until it gets to Total AF.

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oh, ty

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Old 07-15-2007, 12:13 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

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Click on his name in PT and scroll to the right until it gets to Total AF.

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oh, ty

2.7

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I call.

I think a villain that aggressive knows that he needs to bet to protect his baby flush or set. Also, such a villain might choose to bluff on the river in position, where a more passive player might have just checked.

There's a chance that he had something like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 or 87, but I think you can win this more than 33% of the time.

Still, it is a tough spot. I probably would have made life easier for myself and just bet the river.
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Old 07-15-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - Top 2 pair on monotone flop line against decent player

based on your read i dont think villian is goin to call a river bet w/ anything we beat. If he is good then he should be foldin like AJ/AT there. And based on your read that villian raises when he actually has a hand makes me think he has a weak Ax hand and checkin can induce a bluff on this board just sucks he makes a PSB. What 7x is in this guy's range?? 87 he probably raises flop A7 as well. Maybe Kh7?? And you think he would throw in a raise w/ a flush so i call here on the river...
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