2/4 AK Overcards on Flop in Huge Huge Pot.

[chrishungerford]

2/4 Pacific No Reads

Hero: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Button)

E2 limps, M3 raises, L1 calls, Hero Reraises, BB calls, E2 calls, M3 caps, all call.

Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players, 21 SB!!)

BB bets, E2 folds, M3 raises, L1 folds, (24SB) Hero?

[Sandberg]

Getting 12:1 here. You are probably behind (actually I think it's possible the BB has the best hand right now) and you might face a raise behind you but you can't lay it down. You have no real overlay for a raise so I think a call is in order. When a spike an ace on the turn, hopefully the BB or MP3 wasn't betting out with AJ.

[Warren Harding]

Does anyone else fold this? getting 12:1 we want 3-4 outs, but the As and Ks are dirty as hell, and we'll probably face a re-raise, so the flop may actually be 28:4.

[A_C_Slater]

I would fold this here, even getting 12 to 1.

It's likely AA or KK is out there and even not, AK is still a big possibilty if this is a typical 2/4 table. So you maybe be getting only 6 to 1 if you're drawing to a split pot and you're dead to AA, KK, and JJ.

[nubs]

I think this is a pretty easy muck. I have a hard time imagining that all of our outs are clean and we could be drawing dead (JJ, 99). Our best case scenario here is MP3 having QQ and not being reverse dominated by someone else. Seems like too much of a stretch here considering we aren't closing the action.

[Hoi Polloi]

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Does anyone else fold this? getting 12:1 we want 3-4 outs, but the As and Ks are dirty as hell, and we'll probably face a re-raise, so the flop may actually be 28:4.

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You're forgetting about the back-door straight! Oh, who am I kidding; I'm in the fold camp. OP got himself tied into somebody else's pot and it's hard to let go. But as others have said with tainted OCs, not closing the action, and inspite of that back-door straight (I can feel it coming!), I'd muck it here.

Riding somebody else's gravy train sucks.

[TheHip41]

fold

[bobhalford]

You'd like to fold this because you are likely drawing dead or very thin if MP3 or BB has a set or AA. You certainly have the pot odds to spike an Ace, but you will never know when it makes you the best hand. Also consider that if BB bets out again on the turn (we already know he's capable of donkbetting the flop into a preflop capper) and MP3 raises again, then we have to fold, possibly even if an ace comes!