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07-11-2007, 08:11 PM
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FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
Villian is 30/18/4.5. I wanted to keep the pot small with my vulnerable hand. I guess that's not gonna happen. I really didn't know what to do here. Fold, call, 3bet, push all have merit.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 7 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) Hero (SB): $97.50 BB: $94.10 UTG: $90.25 UTG+1: $132.30 MP: $28.45 CO: $22.00 BTN: $21.40 Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8  (7 Players)5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, BB calls $2.00 Flop: ($6) 3  5 5 (2 Players)<font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.00 
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#2
07-11-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
Yuck, this is a tough spot. My instict says instapush, but then I think that you are only going to get called by a better hand, but I don't think it is all that likely that he has a better hand, but any card that comes off is a possible scare card, even the small ones. So maybe it isn't all that bad. He could fold some moderate overpairs like 99-TT which would be good, but I think it is more likely he has a hand like QJ, KT, or A4.
I really don't think you can call, because what do you do on the turn? If he is a good lag, he is probably potting the turn or taking a free card if he is on a draw. I don't like 3-betting and folding to a push as it is very possible he just has a draw or a 3 or even 66-77. I really don't like folding all that much and letting him run over me. His range doesn't include alot of 5's or pairs over 88. It looks alot like a lag protecting his blind and figuring you are just on overcards or middle PP that you will fold. I guess I just shove over the top and hope he doesn't call.
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#4
07-11-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
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[ QUOTE ] but then I think that you are only going to get called by a better hand, [/ QUOTE ] 66,77 flushdraws(flipping vs most) [/ QUOTE ] Would a good lag call a 3-bet allin here with 66 or 77? I don't think so. When Hero 3 bets allin here he will mostly have overpairs which will be overpairs to 77 here. I don't think pushing here with AK and AQ are all that bad, but even if you add those to the range along with big draws, I don't think villian should call with 66 or 77.
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#5
07-11-2007, 08:44 PM
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Re: FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
A 30/18 could be doing this with ATC, and he's very rarely going to have a higher pair. I 3bet this to like $45 and call a shove. If he has a five, good for him, but I think he's just raising you because he's IP. He might put you on 66+, AT+ and be making a raise to get you to fold those broadway cards that missed the flop.
If you play for stacks, you get a lot of calls from 77/66, overs+FD, or even the occasional weird hand like 64s.
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#6
07-11-2007, 08:46 PM
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Re: FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] but then I think that you are only going to get called by a better hand, [/ QUOTE ] 66,77 flushdraws(flipping vs most) [/ QUOTE ] Would a good lag call a 3-bet allin here with 66 or 77? I don't think so. When Hero 3 bets allin here he will mostly have overpairs which will be overpairs to 77 here. I don't think pushing here with AK and AQ are all that bad, but even if you add those to the range along with big draws, I don't think villian should call with 66 or 77. [/ QUOTE ] What if he's a bad LAG? OP didn't say he was good/bad, but a bad LAG probably goes broke with any overpair here...even sixes.
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#7
07-11-2007, 08:50 PM
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Re: FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
I have just over 100 hands in my db on villian. I don't really know if he's good/bad LAG.
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#10
07-11-2007, 08:54 PM
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Re: FT 100: 88 in steal position vs LAG
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I guess I always think of the term LAG as being a good LAG. Someone who plays to those numbers badly I think of as LAGTard or AggroDonk. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't a good LAG raise this flop a lot of the time? They can literally do it with ATC because there's no risk. If they get 3bet, they can fold. If the opponent has 66-88 (like OP), it pretty much becomes a shove-or-fold decision. So they risk $18 to force the raiser into playing for their stack...it's a good move on this flop.
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