5/10 2-7 hand

[MrMemory]

*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to Hero [3c 2h 9c Qh 8d]
Suzy: raises $5 to $10
Hero: calls $8
Villian: calls $5
*** FIRST DRAW ***
Hero: discards 2 cards [9c Qh]
Dealt to Hero [3c 2h 8d] [4s 6h]
Villian: discards 2 cards
Suzy: discards 2 cards
Hero: checks
Villian: bets $5
Suzy: calls $5
Hero: raises $5 to $10
Villian: raises $5 to $15
Suzy: calls $10
Hero: raises $5 to $20
Betting is capped
Villian: calls $5
Suzy: calls $5
*** SECOND DRAW ***
Hero: stands pat on [3c 2h 8d 4s 6h]
Villian: stands pat
Suzy: discards 2 cards
Hero: bets $10
Villian: raises $10 to $20
Suzy: folds
Hero: calls $10
*** THIRD DRAW ***
Hero: stands pat on [3c 2h 8d 4s 6h]
Villian: stands pat
Hero: checks
Villian: bets $10
Hero: calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villian: shows [8h 6c 2c 5c 3s] (Lo: 8,6,5,3,2)
Hero: shows [3c 2h 4s 6h 8d] (Lo: 8,6,4,3,2)

My question is did I play this too passively on the turn and river ? Should this be a clear 3 bet on the turn because he drew 2 then stood pat on the flop ? Thanks for any help in advance.

[2461Badugi]

First three rounds are perfect. I argue with myself a lot over what the best river line is in these spots, but there's no reason to blame you for kc.

People make good hands drawing two almost as often as bad hands, and a typical 5/10 player wouldn't play an 87 this way very often. So you can't give a lot more action.

[DeathDonkey]

I checkraise the turn to trap the two-card draw and call down a 3 bet.

-DeathDonkey

[MrMemory]

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I checkraise the turn to trap the two-card draw and call down a 3 bet.

-DeathDonkey

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But I took the initiative capping the flop. If villian checks behind me on the turn I lose value and give Suzy a free draw. Also, even if villian does bet and Suzy improves to a nice 1 card draw she may call one bet then be trapped in calling another when I check raise. She can still face two cold if villian 3 bets but I certainly wouldn't be happy about a 3 bet. Anyone else think a turn c/r is optimal ? Anyone play it differently ?

[DeathDonkey]

After villain pats behind you he can't check anything when you check to him, your hand looks like a super weak hand that will check/fold and he can't give the free draw either. If he pats and then checks behind in a 3 way pot he's just ridiculously bad. And let Suzy draw, she's drawing super thin anyway, and her effective odds suck on the turn since you are checkraising.

-DeathDonkey

[InWithTheBest]

First draw check raise is lame and is a long-term money loser. 2nd and 3rd look good. You shouldnt have given or gotten any more action based on this cold-deck, nice to be on the good side of these.

[bugstud]

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First draw check raise is lame and is a long-term money loser.

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Really?

[2461Badugi]

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First draw check raise is lame and is a long-term money loser.

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I strongly disagree with this. Sure sometimes you blow it and give a free two and two draw, but then they'll make big mistakes when you bet third. And it's not nearly as damaging as never checking a strong hand here.

[*TT*]

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First draw check raise is lame and is a long-term money loser.

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I strongly disagree with this. Sure sometimes you blow it and give a free two and two draw, but then they'll make big mistakes when you bet third. And it's not nearly as damaging as never checking a strong hand here.

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I agree with IWTB's statement. You really need to know your opponent will bet to be willing to c/r in TD. Very often a hand will get capped, hero will stand, villain will stand behind, and he will check it through because he doesn't know the strength of his pat hand, if your more than 75% positive (I haven't done the equity range math, this is a gut estimate) then I am ok with a c/r.

[2461Badugi]

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I agree with IWTB's statement. You really need to know your opponent will bet to be willing to c/r in TD. Very often a hand will get capped, hero will stand, villain will stand behind, and he will check it through because he doesn't know the strength of his pat hand, if your more than 75% positive (I haven't done the equity range math, this is a gut estimate) then I am ok with a c/r.

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You're saying checkraising round three would suck, which I'm totally behind. IWTB seems to hate checkraising round two when nobody has any reason to believe you have anything.