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Old 07-07-2007, 01:41 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default top 2 on safe board= bluff-catcher?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($402)
Hero ($680.55)
UTG ($662.90)
MP ($249.70)
Button ($293.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $4, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, UTG calls $20, Button calls $20, SB folds.

Flop: ($76) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $56</font>, UTG calls $56, Button folds.

Turn: ($188) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $120</font>, UTG calls $120.

River: ($428) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $224</font>, Hero calls $224.

Final Pot: $876

no reads on villain.

edit: fix subject
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: top 2 on safe = bluff-catcher?

CRAI yo
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: top 2 on safe = bluff-catcher?

wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: top 2 on safe = bluff-catcher?

Looks fine until river. Why did you decide to c/c?
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:45 AM
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wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.

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wanna name some hands? A7 is one. what else?
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:47 AM
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wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.

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Old 07-07-2007, 01:47 AM
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wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.

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wanna name some hands? A7 is one. what else?

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AK a lot
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:51 AM
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wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.

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wanna name some hands? A7 is one. what else?

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AK a lot

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limp-call preflop and then call flop with no pair and no draw and player behind. yum.
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:57 AM
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wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.

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wanna name some hands? A7 is one. what else?

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AK a lot

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limp-call preflop and then call flop with no pair and no draw and player behind. yum.

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take it easy.. A2s A3s 23s
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:05 AM
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wait what? why cant he have worse made hands, make hero calls etc? are you saying his range is {sets, straights, bluffs}? because i think its much wider. i dont really love the check and if i did check it would be to c/r.

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wanna name some hands? A7 is one. what else?

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AK a lot

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limp-call preflop and then call flop with no pair and no draw and player behind. yum.

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take it easy.. A2s A3s 23s

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say villain is equally like to take his line with those hands as he is with 22/33/77 (which is definitely not true because they all usually get folded preflop and a2 and a3 usually get folded on the flop).

then we have 9 sets, and 7 2-pair hands (including a7s). so what's the value in betting?
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