25NL: KK = top set vs. donkey

[TheSalche]

Villain is typical donk from what I've seen so far (high VP$IP, low AF). Small sample, less than 25 hands. Should I be betting this turn or c/rai? River push = fine? Sanity check needed.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($25.70)
Hero ($25.65)
BB ($7.55)
UTG ($21.70)
MP ($25.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, MP calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, MP calls $8.

River: ($27.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11.9 (All-In)</font>, MP calls $11.90 (All-In).

Final Pot: $51.55

[Knuckles]

nh

[Nick C]

I think it's fine.

[TheSalche]

K good I'm not crazy. Gut told me the only thing he could have was a flush draw on the flop (since 3 of the kings are out), and I was right. What else should I be expecting to see here? What hands am I getting value from by bet/bet/bet?

[HighSteaks]

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nh

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[Nick C]

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K good I'm not crazy. Gut told me the only thing he could have was a flush draw on the flop (since 3 of the kings are out), and I was right. What else should I be expecting to see here? What hands am I getting value from by bet/bet/bet?

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Well, if we give Villain a range of AK/KQ/KJ and AcQc-Ac7c, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, and Tc9c, it actually works out that there are 12 K combos and 9 flush combos you could be up against on the flop.

I'm not claiming this is Villain's actual range (we don't know enough about him to approximate his actual range), but I'm not sure widening it hurts you so much either (and I may have slanted it toward the flush hands, too).

And, having said all that, I'm going to have to admit that the turn bet is not as obvious as I thought at first.

[TheSalche]

There's an important difference in this hand when I have middle set versus top set. I'm stacking off 100% of the time with middle set here, but somehow I think I could've saved money by checking the turn, probably not though.

[tarheeljks]

i don't mind the turn bet, i don't like the river shove though.

[KEW]

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There's an important difference in this hand when I have middle set versus top set. I'm stacking off 100% of the time with middle set here, but somehow I think I could've saved money by checking the turn, probably not though.

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If our hand was only a pair+FD I would C/C turn..Holding top set betting will get value from hands like a lone A of clubs(most likely with a pair) under sets(or worse PP with a club)...

[KEW]

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i don't mind the turn bet, i don't like the river shove though.

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IMO we need to shove the river..We can not fold if villain shoves and villains calling range will be wider then his betting range..