What aspects of fate, if any, do you believe in?

Gobias Ind. · #1 07-02-2007, 04:50 AM

Note: If you're atheist, please don't rip on everyone else who does believe in a God.

I find it almost contradictive (yes, I'm making up words) that I fully do believe in God, and yet I don't believe we all have a path set out in front of us. I don't believe that everything happens for a reason.

Thoughts?

Sorry, this really appeared longer in my head and yet when I got to typing it, . . . all blanks

fluorescenthippo · #2 07-02-2007, 05:54 AM

i dont see your point. when i believed in god i felt the same way.
"everything happens for a reason" is just a horrible cliche

GoodCallYouWin · #3 07-02-2007, 05:59 AM

If you accept that God knows the future it is idiotic to disbelieve in fate.

wazz · #4 07-02-2007, 05:59 AM

They're two separate issues, really. I'm strongly leaning towards atheist beliefs, but this has no bearing on questions of determinism and free will.

I couldn't really set down all my opinions on the matter, as they're really ill-defined, unfortunately.

__seth · #5 07-02-2007, 05:59 AM

what is a coherent example of some everyday action/event that hypothetically occurs without a reason?

GoodCallYouWin · #6 07-02-2007, 05:59 AM

Anyway, I do not believe in 'fate' because I think Quantum Mechanics prove some things happen randomly but I think aside from minor quantum fluctuations fate is essentailly an accurate description of the world.

wazz · #7 07-02-2007, 06:01 AM

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If you accept that God knows the future it is idiotic to disbelieve in fate.

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That's just really silly, and hardly conducive to a constructive argument to use the word 'idiotic' like that. Free will and determinism are compatible; for you to proclaim someone an idiot and not know this basic fact, you must be the idiot.

kongo_totte · #8 07-02-2007, 08:15 AM

I am 100% atheist, and I believe in fate all the way, in the sense that there is only one possible way in which my life can develop. Determinism FTW, yo.

GoodCallYouWin · #9 07-02-2007, 08:35 AM

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That's just really silly, and hardly conducive to a constructive argument to use the word 'idiotic' like that. "

When people say "red is green" you don't reason with them you call them idiots, because that's what they are. If God knows the future it is obviously predetermined, if you can't understand that I have difficulty imagining you can remember to breathe.

wazz · #10 07-02-2007, 09:18 AM

OK big man, you win.