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Old 06-30-2007, 04:23 AM
Bond18 Bond18 is offline
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Default Whats my jamming range here?

Deep in tonights 2k NL. I have been doing nothing but folding for the two rounds i've been on the table.

Guy on my left is old nit who would likely fold huge range.

Guy in BB is 30ish, seems tight/weak.

Blinds 800/1600 200 ante. Table is 9 handed. We are 30ish from the money and the announcers have let people know that. People in these things care about making the money A LOT.

My stack: 19k
SB: 23k
BB: 55k

Hero is button with X X.

Preflop: Folds to hero, hero:

Shoves what range?
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:32 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

We can profitably shove any two cards, if bubbling doesn't bother us at all (this isn't to say that raise/call or raise/fold won't be more profitable with some hands than shoving).

I probably dump my bottom 10% though.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

22+/A2+/K9s+/KTo+/QJs

off the top of my head, not looser than that tho. if anything, tighter
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

This pot is > 20% of our stack, and we are getting called very rarely. This is more of a question for SNG players than MTTers, but the pushbot charts show this as a profitable push with ATC if villain(s) are calling with 6s+ A6s+ A8o+ (I don't think A8o is calling very often) and KQs. No way they are calling looser than this, and the payout structure of these events is ridiculously flat.

Tough to pull the trigger with absolute trash, but these situations provide a great opportunity to get yourself back to a workable stack.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

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22+/A2+/K9s+/KTo+/QJs

off the top of my head, not looser than that tho. if anything, tighter

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gross
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

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22+/A2+/K9s+/KTo+/QJs

off the top of my head, not looser than that tho. if anything, tighter

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I would throw in 56s+, 68s+, Q10o+, 89o+ or something like that. Maybe missing a few hands
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:45 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

oh yeah, i forgot like suited connector stuff i guess, lol bedtime
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:49 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

anything but J2o, 32o and T4o

Pretty much like 85-90% of hands.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:51 AM
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oh yeah, i forgot like suited connector stuff i guess, lol bedtime

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What you have is hardly relevant here, most of the value in the shove is coming from the near-certainty (80% of the time at the very least, probably closer to 85% if these are your typical garden-variety nits) that you're going to add 22% to your stack without getting looked up. What you're talking about is being something like 33% against villains' calling range rather than 25%...not terribly meaningful in terms of +cEV here since we're rarely called, and will be significantly behind anyway when they actually decide to call.

Forget what I said in my earlier post, I'm shoving any two.
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Old 06-30-2007, 05:09 AM
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Default Re: Whats my jamming range here?

I'm not shoving 100% but I only need to see one decent card.
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