NL50 Are these flop shoves any good?

Panic__NL · #1 06-30-2007, 03:55 AM

Hand 1

Villian is 62/18/0 over a small sample

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $44.10
UTG+1: $32.70
CO: $50.50
Button: $30.20
SB: $49.95
Hero: $70.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button raises to $1, SB calls, Hero raises to $4, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($9, 2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $12, Hero raises all-in $66.6, Button calls all-in $14.2.
Uncalled bets: $40.4 returned to Hero.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($61.4, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $61.4)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($61.4, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $61.4)

Results:
Final pot: $61.4

Hand 2

Villian is 70/1.4/2 over 70 hands

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $54.30
UTG+1: $17.65
CO: $100.65
Hero: $99.55
SB: $28.15
BB: $23.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $27, SB calls all-in $22.4.
Uncalled bets: $0.6 returned to Hero.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($56.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $56.8)

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($56.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $56.8)

Results:
Final pot: $56.8

Hand 3

Villian is 58/15/4.6 over 80 hands

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $50.10
CO: $57.45
Button: $22.70
SB: $27.20
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $1.75, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($5.75, 3 players)
SB bets $5.75, Hero raises to $23, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($51.75, 2 players)
SB is all-in $2.45, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($56.65, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $56.65)

Results:
Final pot: $56.65

Manchild84 · #2 06-30-2007, 04:51 AM

Hand 1: Not sure I like... villain hasn't been aggressive, and you don't have much in the way of fold equity. I don't think your JJ alone is good here, so we're playing for the straight, I guess.

Hand 2: Standard

Hand 3: That big of a raise is only getting called by hands that you're behind or flipping with.. I'd make a reasonable raise ($13ish), and probably shut down to resistance.

matrix · #3 06-30-2007, 05:43 AM

#1: is marginal. The fact that a SUPERpassive villain minraised our flop bet in a reraised pot is very scary. Tho he almost never has the fd so it's likely that all our 8 outs are good so we're at worst ~35% dog.

After he minraises there's a ton of dead money in the pot and if we pushed and got called we'd be getting ~2:1 so a push is +EV but super thin as we have next to no fold equity. If he folds here even 10% of the time then this makes us some money.

#2: standard.

#3: I think the flop is a fold. If we had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] then it's obv a push but without seeing as we raised pre and BB has donkbet pot into us ... This is very player dependant as to what to do - vs some I call down(aggro bluffy types) - vs some I push (morans who's call with just a fd) vs some I fold. Raising is only getting called by better as most villains without a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] are scared of an all spade flop.

WC3V · #4 06-30-2007, 07:31 AM

Hand 1: Marginal - Definately wouldn't make this move if he had a full stack. Fold equity is close to 0.

Hand 2: Standard

Hand 3: I probably fold here, especially with button still to act. I definately don't like push. Other alternative would be to call and pop a non spade or non queen turn.

Upgrade_U · #5 06-30-2007, 08:21 AM

Hand 1 : Standard, you either have to fold to his min-raise or push it in.

Hand 2 : obv. standard

Hand 3 : Agreed with wc3v

simonpoker · #6 06-30-2007, 09:09 AM

1: I would fold

passive opponent minraising unless he is bluffing you are behind and a lot of times you are way behind.

2: std

3: Fold for reasons mentioned above

fees · #7 06-30-2007, 09:13 AM

call hand 1

shove hand 2

hand 3 is pretty std

Bowlboy · #8 06-30-2007, 09:19 AM

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1: I would fold

passive opponent minraising unless he is bluffing you are behind and a lot of times you are way behind.

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How can you fold the OESD here? Villain is very not likely on a a flush draw as already pointed out by his passive stats so he quite possibly has a hand like KQ or AQ. We can call the flop here for sure to see if we hit. Guys this loose will almost never lay down TPTK or top 2 even with 4 straight cards on the board.

#9 06-30-2007, 09:27 AM

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call hand 1

shove hand 2

hand 3 is pretty std

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I would take this line also ..

monkover · #10 06-30-2007, 10:18 AM

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call hand 1

shove hand 2

hand 3 is pretty std

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I would take this line also ..

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me too i´d only fold hand 3