Hand with ZBTHorton in 500k gtd

[moneyinbag]

Full Tilt Poker Game #2760605169: $500,000 Guarantee (19795317), Table 45 - 170/340 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:46:39 ET - 2007/06/24
Seat 1: torbster99 (34,185)
Seat 2: geturdone739 (33,255)
Seat 3: beanz412 (7,320)
Seat 4: slaskovic (4,930)
Seat 5: Barky Dog (15,056)
Seat 7: ZBTHorton (5,731)
Seat 8: CAPOUSPC (9,419)
Seat 9: no not baxter (16,956)
torbster99 antes 25
geturdone739 antes 25
beanz412 antes 25
slaskovic antes 25
Barky Dog antes 25
ZBTHorton antes 25
CAPOUSPC antes 25
no not baxter antes 25
CAPOUSPC posts the small blind of 170
no not baxter posts the big blind of 340
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to no not baxter [6h 6c]
torbster99 folds
geturdone739 folds
beanz412 folds
slaskovic folds
Barky Dog folds
LifeTilt4Life sits down
LifeTilt4Life adds 13,241
LifeTilt4Life: om
ZBTHorton raises to 1,390
CAPOUSPC folds
no not baxter has 15 seconds left to act
no not baxter raises to 16,931, and is all in
ZBTHorton calls 4,316, and is all in
no not baxter shows [6h 6c]
ZBTHorton shows [9d Td]

I just do not understand this play. If your going to call a shove with it, why not just shove? I mean ya you are getting 1.7 to 1 about on the call. Why the big raise? Are you trying to commit yourself here? I just would like to know your reasoning on this hand. It sort of confused me.

[coatsie]

instashove against typical - aggressive player. instafold against uber tight/passive

what happened to getting reads in posts..

[curtains]

I would not push this against very few opponents....in fact I can't think of any online.

[coatsie]

curtains i wud be interested why you fold, may be a leak in my game.

good points

his M = 7.8
you hold 66

bad

no read
he is raising 25% of his stack so may not have much FE


what good, bad or other point is putting you off?

[ThePershore]

Coatsie... he's saying he WOULDN'T fold...

[coatsie]

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I would not push this against very few opponents....in fact I can't think of any online. [ QUOTE ]
Coatsie... he's saying he WOULDN'T fold...

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im either dumb or tired or both but i dont get this, maybe you can help with my english

[BarryLyndon]

He's making a logical statement using a statement pretty close to a double-negative in order to illustrate a point. When a good player makes a raise like this, it's usually to throw you off; you are probably raising into a flip, but with all the $$ out there and you being ahead, that's nice, right? easy push.

Barry

[ThePershore]

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I would not push this against very few opponents....in fact I can't think of any online. [ QUOTE ]
Coatsie... he's saying he WOULDN'T fold...

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im either dumb or tired or both but i dont get this, maybe you can help with my english

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Would not against very few = would against many...

[seke2]

i dunno, ZBT's play looks pretty bad to me here, Hero's looks good.

[ZBTHorton]

This was my last remaining MTT for the day, I just wanted to be out, obv this isn't standard.