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Old 06-19-2007, 08:38 PM
FionnMac FionnMac is offline
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Default Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

Both villains are fish, 69/12/2 and 47/27/2.

Do they bluff missed draws/value bet worse enough to make this a decent spot for a check-raise here? Or am i losing too much value when they check behind Q-x and pussy out on bluffing diamonds cos it's 3-way?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($630)
Button ($597)
Hero ($820)
BB ($779)
UTG ($996.25)
MP ($1121.22)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, MP calls $6, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($24) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $16, MP calls $16.

Turn: ($72) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, UTG calls $55, MP calls $55.

River: ($237) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero?</font>
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:44 PM
jpsnow jpsnow is offline
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Default Re: Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

I dont think they are betting Qx here very often. Also, like you said with the missed draw, they probably wont bet because its a 3 way pot, limped pot, and your showing a lot of strength. I bet the river somewhat small and hope they call w/ some Q or maybe Kx of diamonds or something. I prob bet 180. Who knows they may have backed into KQ and repop.
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Old 06-19-2007, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

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I dont think they are betting Qx here very often. Also, like you said with the missed draw, they probably wont bet because its a 3 way pot, limped pot, and your showing a lot of strength. I bet the river somewhat small and hope they call w/ some Q or maybe Kx of diamonds or something. I prob bet 180. Who knows they may have backed into KQ and repop.

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I hate to quote stuff because that doesn't really add anything to the thread but I completly agree here.

This is probably "bad" but as I often like to overbet with the nuts I might try it here but they pretty much has to suck alot or have KQ+ here to call that.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:23 PM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

Bet big, I think they call with a lot.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

Yeah i bet myself here. One point about a c/r to think about is that you don't get to set the bet amount, these fishes might bet like 90 or 115 or whatver with some hand that he would call a much bigger bet with, and i don't see many hands calling a c/r.

Anyway, i wouldn't hope for to much if you where to check so i think this is a clear valuebet versus these players.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

Inducing a bluff with 3 in the pot is much much harder than doing it with 2 in the pot.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:57 AM
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Default Re: Value-town or c/r with nuts on river

They'll be hesistant to value bet a Queen here since it's a three way pot; yet given their description they won't think too hard about laying down a Queen.

Bet about $200 and get paid off. The check/raise is just too risky.
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