$3/$6 2-7 TD wwyd?

[chuckpalms04]

out of position i had no idea what to do here but i felt pat was alright since no one showed any strength behind. also, bet out with my wheel draw in the 2nd round?

PokerStars Game #10535036730: Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/06/20 - 18:27:25 (ET)
Table 'Vera IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: linksimpson ($134 in chips)
Seat 2: Magic Aces ($262 in chips)
Seat 3: chuckpalms04 ($90 in chips)
Seat 4: azynbeauty ($135 in chips)
Seat 5: snirk ($80 in chips)
Seat 6: PiggoBank ($102 in chips)
chuckpalms04: posts small blind $1
azynbeauty: posts big blind $3
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to chuckpalms04 [3d 2h 4d Ah Kd]
snirk: calls $3
PiggoBank: raises $3 to $6
linksimpson: folds
Magic Aces: calls $6
chuckpalms04: calls $5
azynbeauty: folds
snirk: calls $3
*** FIRST DRAW ***
chuckpalms04: discards 2 cards [Ah Kd]
Dealt to chuckpalms04 [3d 2h 4d] [7d Jc]
snirk: discards 1 card
PiggoBank: discards 1 card
Magic Aces: discards 2 cards
chuckpalms04: checks
snirk: checks
PiggoBank: bets $3
Magic Aces: calls $3
chuckpalms04: calls $3
snirk: calls $3
*** SECOND DRAW ***
chuckpalms04: discards 1 card [Jc]
Dealt to chuckpalms04 [3d 2h 4d 7d] [9c]
snirk: discards 1 card
PiggoBank: discards 1 card
Magic Aces: discards 2 cards
chuckpalms04: bets $6
snirk: calls $6
PiggoBank: calls $6
Magic Aces: calls $6
*** THIRD DRAW ***
chuckpalms04: stands pat on [3d 2h 4d 7d 9c]
snirk: discards 1 card
PiggoBank: discards 1 card
Magic Aces: discards 2 cards
chuckpalms04: checks
snirk: bets $6
PiggoBank: folds
Magic Aces: raises $6 to $12
chuckpalms04: folds
snirk: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Magic Aces: shows [5c 6s 8c 4s 3h] (Lo: 8,6,5,4,3)
snirk: shows [2d 6c 3s 5s 7h] (Lo: 7,6,5,3,2)
snirk collected $84 from pot

[Alchemist]

I'd probably stick with the 9 as well but I think it's pretty close to drawing 1 against 3 players, two of whom are drawing 1. If you're a favorite with a 9 against two players drawing 1, should the fourth guy drawing two benefit us or not since he should be holding 3 of their possible outs?

[soulvamp]

I would definitely hold the 9. You are favored with it against everyone else drawing.

But I have exception to the first two rounds. You have to raise predraw and after the first draw.

[soulvamp]

Actually, raise or fold the predraw 234. Calling here is the worst.

But definitely raise the 7 after the first draw.

[darkcore]

i lean towards folding predraw because of position.
valuebet your clean 7-draw firstdraw.
and i'd think i rather draw to the wheel because it makes third easy to play and i can get some more bbs if i hit.

[soulvamp]

Now that I'm getting a thorough look at it and not responding while being distracted by my own game:

Predraw is a clear fold. You might get aggressive with this on the button. You can call a raise in the BB. But in the SB, you don't even want to play this hand against all this action. In this game, you should never enter the pot predraw with a call except from the BB. Walk away from your $1.

First draw: Bet out after you catch your 7.

I have no objection to play on the second and third draws. I would not break the 9.

[iron81]

I like checking your wheel draw here. If anyone got there they're gonna raise and you're going to be OOP and behind. On round 3 you need to check again and break the 9. You need to account for the chance that they're patting behind you with a better hand. If I were Snirk and I made a rough 8 (it sure looks like he's drawing rough), and I got there, I'd call and pat.

[MarkGritter]

I think it is absurdly weak to consider folding your 234 here. You face an opening raise which could be a variety of two-card draws or a eight draws, and a bunch of cold-callers. You may well have the best draw at this point. A call is OK, though, there is no need to bloat this pot OOP. It would be a raise on the button.

I believe DN lists this as one of the hands that you can play for any number of bets predraw.

I think patting the 9 and drawing are pretty close here. Betting out probably lets you make the best drawing decision if your opponents are straightforward, but you might also consider checking or check-raising to see where the strength lies--- and clearing any opponents out of this large pot is a plus. (If it's checked through you have a clear pat.)

[soulvamp]

You have a much better chance of winning the pot by holding the 9 than you do by breaking it. In the long run, it's the more profitable play.

In any event, this hand is a perfect example of why you shouldn't play marginal hands out of position. It only leads to trouble and difficult decisions.

[soulvamp]

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I believe DN lists this as one of the hands that you can play for any number of bets predraw.


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I happen to have DN in front of me right now. Here's what he says:

"If you are dealt any of these hands (234 among them), raise it. In fact, if you are in position, I would advise reraising."

However, he also says that if you are facing two bets when the action comes to you, you should either three-bet or fold. He further says that you need to play very tight in the small blind. I think given that he basically says in that quote that you should reraise 234 in position, the implication would be that you would fold it here out of position.

In the same article, he says:

"When you do improve after the first draw, it's time to get aggressive. (If) you improve to a one-card draw ... you'll want to narrow the field as much as possible in multiway pots."

And later, after the second draw:

"If you make 9-7-x-x-2, you should bet and stay pat if no one raises you."