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06-19-2007, 04:13 AM
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3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
WSOP 3K NL.
One hand earlier, on the flop KJTr, UTG (who was BB in that hand) had the most chips in a 3-way action, c/r all-in with Q9s, he was called by two other bad players holding AJ, AK,respectively. The river was a Q and most of his stack was chopped by the two leaving him only 1150. In this hand, UTG's steaming. I read MP playing big pp PF passively from a hand earlier - he had cold-called a utg 5BB raise from CO, I squeezed from the big blind to 20BB,utg folded, he 4-bet shove in responding to my squeeze. I made a tough laydown on that hand. Stacksize: MP has 6K and I have 7.5K. MP's a young Internet player and is reasonably tight and passive PF. He didn't play many hands. 100/200, UTG (the tilt Q9 guy) shoved for 1150. MP cold-called. I MP+1 with JJ? 
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#2
06-19-2007, 04:18 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
Ehh ugly spot. I'd probably just call, since people play so straightforwardly against an allin. I'd bet most flops if checked to, and you usually don't have to bet too much when there is someone allin.
You don't have a feel about whether the caller has a big hand or not? There are some downsides such as someone calling behind that would never call if you reraise.
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#3
06-19-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
I would just push over this.. generally live I think people will isolate the bigger pairs here given a 5-6bb push.
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#4
06-19-2007, 04:26 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
Assume I flat call, rag flop, pot is 3750. villain 5k vs hero 6k.
How much should we bet if villain checks? What if villain bet 2K into 3.8K pot leaving 3k behind? What if villain shove? Given all these, what's our PF action? I described my read about MP's range in OP.
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#5
06-19-2007, 04:32 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
I dunno it depends, I mean sometimes you get a feeling that the guy is going to be calling a wide range here, in which case you should definitely reraise. Honestly the more I think about it the more I think reraising is correct. If the guy is really tight and predictable you may be able to get away with making it like 2k more and folding if he goes allin, but that's really dangerous.
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#6
06-19-2007, 05:19 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
[ QUOTE ]
Assume I flat call, rag flop, pot is 3750. villain 5k vs hero 6k. How much should we bet if villain checks? What if villain bet 2K into 3.8K pot leaving 3k behind? What if villain shove? Given all these, what's our PF action? I described my read about MP's range in OP. [/ QUOTE ] the awesome thing about live poker is that if MP bets out here you can probably just fold, and (2/3 pot is functionally the same as shoving so either/or) if checked to. oh, I never shove pre vs. a tight passive here*, it leads to bad things. *unless I feel like they can fold queens, which they have to me twice already this WSOP. god I love live poker.
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06-19-2007, 05:20 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Assume I flat call, rag flop, pot is 3750. villain 5k vs hero 6k. How much should we bet if villain checks? What if villain bet 2K into 3.8K pot leaving 3k behind? What if villain shove? Given all these, what's our PF action? I described my read about MP's range in OP. [/ QUOTE ] the awesome thing about live poker is that if MP bets out here you can probably just fold, and (2/3 pot is functionally the same as shoving so either/or) if checked to. oh, I never shove pre vs. a tight passive here*, it leads to bad things. *unless I feel like they can fold queens, which they have to me twice already this WSOP. god I love live poker. [/ QUOTE ] whats the point of playing live if u cant just look into their soul and see if they have AA-QQ.
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#9
06-19-2007, 05:46 AM
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Re: 3K WSOP: JJ vs tilt push and a cold call.
Yeah I'd call preflop
How much should we bet if villain checks? shove What if villain bet 2K into 3.8K pot leaving 3k behind? shrug? What if villain shove? spots like these pay careful attention to how the allin player reacts, quite often they make it obvious they're walking and then its possible the other guy can pick up on this and steal the pot. Anyway, shrug? gotta make a read
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