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Old 06-16-2007, 11:44 AM
solinar solinar is offline
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Default KQs goes bad twice in one night.

Villian in hand 1 is 56/4.7/0.35. I am running 21/15/2.0. Earlier in the night, I shoved all in (100BB) in a 10BB pot with a flush draw vs a villian who had 16 BB left, not realizing there was another player still in the hand with 80BB who called and I got shown down as overbetting a draw (flush didnt hit).

After the limp reraise, I figured AA or KK was a pretty good part of his range. On the river I thought seriously about shoving in my last $3.50 into a $9.00ish pot as a bluff, but I didn't think he would fold very often (in retrospect I probably should have bet half pot on the turn and then had better fold equity on the river. Also, I usually stay topped off but had lost the hand before unexpectedly).

I included the results because they are kind of important to why I am posting this.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($9.80)
SB ($9.85)
BB ($40.30)
Hero ($8.65)
MP ($21.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
MP calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.8</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.70) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, MP calls $1.

Turn: ($3.70) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, MP calls $3.50.

River: ($10.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

Final Pot: $10.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB doesn't show.
Hero has Qs Ks (one pair, tens).
MP has Kc Ac (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP wins $10.70. </font>



In this second hand I flop TP2K on a straighted flushed flop and am facing a raise and a reraise. I figured Fold&gt;Raise&gt;Call.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($9.65)
UTG ($12.35)
MP ($4.30)
Hero ($9.95)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.55</font>, SB calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $0.45.

Flop: ($1.85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: $1.85
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

converter error?
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

Ugh

Didnt notice that. See below


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($9.65)
UTG ($12.35)
MP ($4.30)
Hero ($9.95)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.55</font>, SB calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $0.45.

Flop: ($1.85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.4</font>, Hero ...
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

pretty easy fold.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

First hand, I slow down on the turn. Villain hasn't shown much strength after the flop so you may get a free card. Also, you have enough outs to call a reasonable bet.

Second hand is a fold for me.
AQ, QJ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 88, any 2 hearts have you crushed. You can't cold call since the SB still has to act again and may push... and even if you both just call, there's a zillion cards on the turn that you don't want to see.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:57 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

I check the flop to MP in hand 1 and shove if he makes a decent bet.
You're actually slightly ahead of AA/KK on the flop, and I want to get it in asap. You're way ahead of something like QQ.
When I do this, I'm praying for a call, because even though it's a flip with AA/KK, it's good for image.
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

Is raising KQss out of the BB there standard? It seems like a leak to me.
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

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check the flop to MP in hand 1 and shove if he makes a decent bet.

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Old 06-16-2007, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

Hand 1 looks pretty standard to me. I'm seeing so much crap after limp/minraises lately, I really don't know what to think they mean anymore. Hand 2, folding after the flop raise is fine.

Rudkulous - I'll raise KQs out of the BB to a loose passive CO limp fairly often.
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: KQs goes bad twice in one night.

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Is raising KQss out of the BB there standard? It seems like a leak to me.

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probably bad not to raise.
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