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Old 06-13-2007, 05:50 PM
Emperor Norton Emperor Norton is offline
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Default NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($22.55)
Hero ($84.70)
SB ($59.25)
BB ($44.45)
UTG ($26.10)
MP ($34.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($9.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, SB calls $6, UTG folds.

Turn: ($21.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($21.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6.5</font>, Hero?

Villain here is not great, but not terrible; he took a big chunk off of me a little earlier with middle set against my TPTK. The fact that he cold-called preflop and then called a big flop bet on this dry board concerned me, so I decided to check the turn for pot control, and to get value out of weaker hands on the river. When he leads into me weakly, I think that a small raise to around $15 is in order, with the intention of folding to a shove. Thoughts?
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

If hes the type of player calls a min raise on the river w/ a J or an 8 or 99 TT do it otherwise call
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Old 06-13-2007, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

I don't see him calling any raise here very often without a flush. Flushes stick out and many opponents don't think deep enough to realise that a backdoor flush is unlikely. I'd take the showdown.
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

Does anyone disagree with my line overall?
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

I bet turn. Missing value from JT+ which must be a big part of SB range after the awful PF call. River raise does have value but you have to fold if he shoves...
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

Overall line is fine, now just min-raise and fold to a shove : )

Oh and what I forgot was that you should size up your pf 3-bet, you are giving too good implied odds for weird hands. 3x should be the standard 3-bet size for 100bb, so you should make it like 5 or so I guess.
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

bet turn.

as played call.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

I'm not sure what betting the turn accomplishes, unless he happens to hold the backdoor flush draw. After the flop check/call and the turn check, villain usually has either a marginal one-pair hand, which I want to stick around so they'll pay me on the river, or a big hand with which he's trapping, in which case I might as well draw to my two outs.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:49 AM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

KK/QQ are more than possible

By checking behind on the turn you will find yourself in spots like these, where you don't have a clue what to do.
But by betting the turn you can check behind on the river most of the time since you will be the one closing the action. Also you will be opened for all kinds of blocking bets and/or bluffs, in which case you will have no idea what villain is doing.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: NL25: Aces in three-bet pot with deep stacks

checking is fine since you're deep.

just call river, no point in raising.

i raise 3.5 PF
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