Small Ace, Big Blind

[TarHeel100]

OK, so SSHE gives the following preflop "default" play:

Tight game, it says it's ok to call a raise in the BB with hands you would play in late position for 1 bet which includes many suited hands, (I'm taking this to mean A8s is ok)

I'm just wondering in what circumstances is this +EV? It is something that should only be done in blind defense? Stay away from early position raises with it? I feel like I made a preflop error in calling this and would like to see what others think.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero......</font>

Calling down through the river just doesn't seem +EV to me considering that the majority of the hands he has have me beat.,......BUT I hit top pair so if I'm not going to do anything with it, then why did I join this pot in the first place? On the 6% chance I make a flush?

Also, since I'm in the pot, what do you do in this situation?

[tyler_cracker]

reads?

i definitely call here with A8s unless the pfr is quite rocky.

once this flop comes and especially once co folds, this is a textbook wa/wb situation.


now, if you aren't comfortable playing a weakish[**] A here, i have two things to say:

1. you aren't giving up too, too much by just folding here, especially against an unknown.

2. you won't get better at these situations without practice. A8s is the high end of marginal hands to play out of the BB against a UTG raiser. let's play some poker!


[**] A8s is, generally speaking, a decent A. against a pfr, though, it's weakish.

[Montrealcorp]

clear call to me in BB,
and no,u dont need to call down but that flop is a clear call since u have lot of way to improve.
an 8 or a flush card hitting,if u dont improve on the turn u can fold .
but on that play i would just check raise the flop instead of calling for 2 reasons:
1.its still small bet and a check raise isnt expensive to find out where u at.
2.lets say worst case scenerio the utg raise you re check raise,well at least u know your beat and if u dont improve on the turn(8 or any clubs)u can check fold since its big bet to pay now.
But he might fold on flop since u showed him u have the A and if he raise u, well u still have enough odds to call on turn if u improve.
of course the CO was a bonus when he call,with him its a clear call preflop but heads up preflop well that another thing,if he was like a pure rock i would fold but usually i always call .

[Point Blank]

firstly ... uhhh - stars 5c-10c game ... why on earth are you playing in a "tight" game (there are like - what - 8thousand table and you choose this one????)

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playing this hand really depends on how you would play other hands ... and how this guy has seen you play other hands

doing something retard like donking will often times get some to raise KK or KQ (or get call downs from other hands .. some have raised JJ on me) ... then donking the turn

with the club on the board you might try a check raise after CO folds (that might be fun)

or wa/wb line

or donk/3bet

whatever you do depends on your opponent and recent outcomes

if you generally just play ABC then ... you might want to fold this hand as you really aren't giving up much (especially against an EP raise ... I would prefer most live cards in this spot - if I could move this guy off a big ace)

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[**] A8s is, generally speaking, a decent A. against a pfr, though, it's weakish.

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Tyler against a EP PFR I don't really get why A8s &gt; A2s in this spot, either he has a better Ace or doesn't have an Ace in hand???

[unterfish]

LOL. A good spot. 10max again. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

1. Switch to 6max, plz. The good forums teach you how to play well. More moniez!
2. Yes, I actually raise this somewhere 6max. But 10max maybe its just a call-down.
However: i still think its a calldown 10max.
Maybe you havent read it yet. There is a good article by the "Noted Poker Authority" (Ed Miller aka "NPA") about
"Why you people dont crush the micros".
Good article! Worth reading!

[tyler_cracker]

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[**] A8s is, generally speaking, a decent A. against a pfr, though, it's weakish.

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Tyler against a EP PFR I don't really get why A8s &gt; A2s in this spot, either he has a better Ace or doesn't have an Ace in hand???

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that's a fair point.

an 8 is an overcard to more PPs and board pairs than a 2, and makes more straights than a 2 (and beats more kickers, though that applies less obviously). but if it's going to be HU, then yeah, it makes little difference.

[terencetsao]

preflop call is descent..and the flop kind of force you to play some poker. i will check raise, to find out where i am, also gain some value of my hand.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

call... reevaluate on turn

dont fold ever