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Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
i have been somewhat aggressive so far. this is the first time he has called or raised me.
Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t300/t600 (Ante: t50) 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t7630 UTG+1: t17600 MP1: t24750 MP2: t30000 MP3: t13925 djk123: t19998 Button: t21719 SB: t58255 BB: t17860 Pre-flop: (9 players) djk123 is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">djk123 raises to t1800</font>, Button folds, SB calls t1500 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3150)</font>, BB folds. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t4650, 2 players) SB checks, djk123 checks. Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t4650, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">djk123 bets t2500</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to t9000</font>, djk123 ? |
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
I don't think I want to assume he's bluffing when this is the first time he's fought back. Given the circumstances I'd fold. I also would have used catching the 8 as a reason to check the turn and call a reasonable bet on most rivers, or to vb the river if checked to.
edit: actually checking the turn is probably results oriented |
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
I shove because this is an obvious spot for a thinking player to c/r with air
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
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I shove because this is an obvious spot for a thinking player to c/r with air [/ QUOTE ] i agree w/ the bolded part, but even though he's pretty good and aggro, i'd like to at least have some previous knowledge that he takes this line w/ air before i stick it in here. not to say i hate shoving and i might do it sometimes here given some type of previous dynamic but it just seems kinda meh w/o any specific read imho. |
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
I should say that it's not that simple, because he doesn't have air that often based on PF. I think you're actually more likely to be behind here because the vast majority of his range is (or should be) pairs. So, yeah, this spot sucks.
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
nath,
I think this is really really bad. Generally speaking it means you are betting here with the intent of getting it all-in. I think your hand is way to weak for that plan. I don't love this turn bet anyway because i feel like you arent getting called by many/any worse hands and I think checking behind here and then calling/betting the river on a lot of cards seems better. So, the only players I like betting this turn against are guys who will not put any chips in the pot unless they improve to beat you so that you are in effect protecting your hand and in those cases you should be folding fairly easily to the raise. As is, I think you are in a pretty annoying spot because lill is definitely capable of making a play at you but I'd just go ahead and fold anyway. |
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
looks like a fold even vs lil.
edit: He's crazy, but this just doesnt look like a bluff. |
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
Yeah I wrote my first response pretty quickly, hence the followup. Yeah, I probably fold, and PF has a lot to do with it. I think a shove is better if he was BB, or if we were CO and he was button (and we led the turn and got raised). But flat calling from the SB is scary.
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
I agree with MLG about not betting the turn
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Re: Stars $100r vs lil holdem tough turn
Yeah, if you check the flop you have to check the turn I think. Induce bluffs, etc. I think his coldcall in the sb is the biggest way to let this go. If he called in the bb I think pushing is a bit better but in the sb he almost always has a small pair here and small pairs pretty much hit this flop always.
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