50NL: lol Laydownaments

[Chomp]

Villain 19/10/4, 150 hands.

Hero has been playing standard (nitty) TAG. Been 3b'ing a bit - even light once or twice - but not so much that villains would think I was really out of line. Although, you never know.

First the hand, then the Stove...

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP ($50)</font>
Hero ($68.20)
Button ($54.84)
SB ($55.40)
BB ($49.30)
UTG ($51.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($12.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $23</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44.75

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Hand 0: 54.830% { JJ+, 88, 66, 33, AdKd, AdQd }
Hand 1: 45.170% { KcKh }

...or, add 99 and TT...

Hand 0: 42.866% { 88+, 66, 33, AdKd, AdQd }
Hand 1: 57.134% { KcKh }

...and here's one with a random bluff thrown in (unlikely)...

Hand 0: 33.019% { 88+, 66, 33, AdKd, AdQd, J2s, J2o }
Hand 1: 66.981% { KcKh }

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Thoughts?


Thanks.


Edit: Meant to say those are Stoves with the flop out.

[barryc83]

ugh, chomp you just cant fold this in a RR pot. fwiw, i rr to 7 pf to price them out of set mining even more. call and stack TT-QQ. youre giving up so much equity by folding here man.

[Scottery]

pls dont fold here

[AshtrayBroom]

[ QUOTE ]
ugh, chomp you just cant fold this in a RR pot. fwiw, i rr to 7 pf to price them out of set mining even more. call and stack TT-QQ. youre giving up so much equity by folding here man.

[/ QUOTE ]

I sure love quoting the guy who is totally right. Crazy on this forum how readily people are laying down big overpairs on boards like this. You have to call in many of these cases, and with KK it is as good a time as any to sniff out an inferior PP or flush draw in this case.

[jmgambler]

I cant lay this down, If I get stacked? Next&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

[dawade]

Tough spot.

If I could learn how to play these correctly I'd be a very rich man.

As played, given villain's AF I'm leaning towards a shove.

[cubase]

I may be narrowing down too much, but with PFR of 4, you are looking at TT+ pretty much. I wrote a program just yesterday experimenting with hand ranges to determine exactly that question... I don't have the program handy, but I'm pretty sure TT+ accounts for 4%. In this case, there is only one hand that beats you in this range.

Here, I'd probably call and shove turn. You could also shove the flop, but he might laydown JJ and QQ. He might bet once more on the turn, and obviously if he has AA, nh, and move on.

[Check_The_Nuts]

all in without Kd, fold with Kd.

makes sense?

[ama0330]

Folding here is so exploitable. I go broke every time.

[Chomp]

[ QUOTE ]
all in without Kd, fold with Kd.

makes sense?

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Wow...because of the "kickers", right? Making this a call. Nice.

I really thought this closer than you are all saying. Dammit. Been stacked like this so often recently I must be letting that make me play a bit scared.

Thanks.