hows the line?

[WeLoveYouRandy]

20-40 7 handed. no real reads but the table didnt seem special or anything...

folded to CO who limps, hero in small blind with J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] completes BB checks.

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

hero checks, BB bets, CO raises, hero 3 bets, fold call.

8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

bet, call.

3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

hero bets?

i have to dont i? is this ever getting through though?

[Hobbs.]

betting the river is giving money away. I would usually raise preflop, bet the flop, but outside of that would play the flop/turn the same.

[AragornX151]

Don't like the river bet--it's too unlikely villain was on a draw. He has an A here like all of the time.

Also don't like the flop c/r 3-bet. Yoou have like NO chance of winning the pot uncontested here and you want to keep villain #2 in with such a strong draw sans overcards, not knock him out. If it was 8d9d4c, I like the flop 3-bet to clean up some outs, and wouldn't hate the river bet either because he might lay down some hands.

[newhizzle]

raise preflop for sure

as played, i think id actually cold/call the flop, while we certainly have an edge, 3-betting dosent really accomplish too much other than facing one guy with 2 cold when we have a huge draw with no showdown value, no fold equity, and nothing to really clean up

against most people you can probly give up on the river

[AragornX151]

For the record, I like LEADING this flop much more than check/3-bet. You may get a call/raise, and you can then get two bets in on the flop with position equity (don't 3-bet obv).

Preflop, either way is fine IMO.

[private joker]

Yeah, bet/call this flop. I don't like the three-bet because CO is telling you he has a weak ace and he's not folding. Just keep the BB around, hope to hit your strong draw, and then bet for value.

[n.s.]

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Yeah, bet/call this flop. I don't like the three-bet because CO is telling you he has a weak ace and he's not folding. Just keep the BB around, hope to hit your strong draw, and then bet for value.

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The only exception to this would be if BB is the kind of player that will always call 2 more once he's called the first bet, in which case we can pump this pot for value. Without any read on BB, though, I agree that bet/call is best.

[mike l.]

co raising you on the flop is generally the A-rag it looks like. i could check the turn and see if i cant get him to foolishly give a free card. works pretty well at 20-40 where they are so confused and scared. your river bet has no value, give up and save some money.

[HOWMANY]

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co raising you on the flop is generally the A-rag it looks like. i could check the turn and see if i cant get him to foolishly give a free card. works pretty well at 20-40 where they are so confused and scared. your river bet has no value, give up and save some money.

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Yeah I think check/lots of bets or bet/lots of bets followed by a turn check when you miss is okay at these levels because they are putting no effort into hand reading at all and will gladly give you a free card very often and they won't mind paying you off at all on your river donk when you get there.

[RudeboyOi]

id b/c flop, and either c/c turn or c/r turn

if you c/c turn, just c/f river
if you c/r turn, you have enough OOMPH
to fire another barrel on the river UI

if you raised preflop you could also take a line like

b/3bet flop, bet turn, c/r river UI

all this depends on your opponents tendencies though