Bad line? JJ with overs

markbris · #1 04-29-2007, 11:56 PM

Villain has been pretty active, only about 20 hands in but he has played a good amount of pots, limping and raising lots. I had been pretty inactive.

How do you like this line? Should I have bet the flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t2350)
SB (t1290)
BB (t2460)
UTG (t2625)
UTG+1 (t3410)
MP1 (t1580)
MP2 (t2470)
Hero (t2760)
CO (t3555)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 4 folds, MP2 calls t120.

Flop: (t345) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t345) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t120, Hero calls t120.

River: (t585) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t420, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1005

ItalianFX · #2 04-30-2007, 12:12 AM

I make preflop 120.

As played, I make the flop 250-300ish. If he doesn't have anything, he's folding. If he calls, then you slow down and see what he does on the turn. If he checks the turn, then you can check behind. And then call a river bet less than all-in. Also, if he check-raises the flop, you probably could fold.

By checking the flop, you are pretty much signaling that you have a weak(er) hand. By calling the turn, you are saying you really don't have anything.

Sherman · #3 04-30-2007, 01:38 AM

t120 PF. Flop is an obvious check. Makes the turn an obvious call hoping to get to a showdown against a bluff/value bet from lower pair. Or, the turn is an obvious call b/c if he checks the river you may be able to bluff out a hand like KQ.

River is an easy fold.

BTW, betting the flop here is -cEV. The only card that could hurt you on the turn is a Q.

markbris · #4 04-30-2007, 01:59 AM

Thats what I was thinking at the time, that no turn card hurts me and I keep the pot small. I figured once he fired twice it was time to fold. I'd like to hear more thoughts on this though if someone would, someone with a great deal of experience hopefully.

Sherman · #5 04-30-2007, 02:02 AM

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markbris · #6 04-30-2007, 02:04 AM

Haha sorry I knew you were gonna say that, I value your opinion greatly and I think we have the right line. I didn't mean that you werent experienced, I meant that I was hoping we could get another reply from someone else thats experienced as well.

gholizad · #7 04-30-2007, 03:17 AM

make it 120 preflop. I dont like the call on turn though, you might be drawing dead. Save your chips and move on to next hand.

nath · #8 04-30-2007, 05:25 AM

150 pf is fine
bet the flop and don't put any more money in without hitting a J

Sherman · #9 04-30-2007, 10:33 AM

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150 pf is fine
bet the flop and don't put any more money in without hitting a J

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Nath,

Can you provide some insight on the flop bet here?

nath · #10 04-30-2007, 12:42 PM

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150 pf is fine
bet the flop and don't put any more money in without hitting a J

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Nath,

Can you provide some insight on the flop bet here?

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Take your shot at winning the pot and don't get left wondering if a donk pushed you off the best hand