100NL straight flush draw

[rakes.a.beach]

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $15</font>, Hero ???

Stack sizes:
SB: 72
Hero: covers
UTG: 54
Button: 60

Button is a fish.

IS this a clear fold?

[rakes.a.beach]

bump

[benlj21]

uhhhh this is a clear shove imo there's lots of dead money in the pot. it's a bit of an overbet, and you'll probably be a slight dog if (when) called, but the dead money in the pot makes it +ev.

[ThePuma]

shove! commit em now u got two cards to come supper draw RIDICULOUS like a million outs.

[JackAll]

I hate 3-betting in a limped pot without the nuts. I would just call.

Edit: Damn didn't see so many players in, so our fd will be screwed up. I think pusshing might be better here.

[ronitonline]

fold???
never fold.
pair + flush draw + gutshot?
I am not folding the flop here ever.
raise / call atleast.
I raise.

[carnivalhobo]

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I hate 3-betting in a limped pot without the nuts. I would just call.


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wtf

so you let a card come off with a set here, thats disgusting.

[cs3]

ive learned the hard way that you dont really have much fold equity at all in spots like this to be honest. SB has at least 2 pr and usually a set or straight and hes not folding any of those. if it were a rasied pot, where villain is likely to have a 1 pair hand that folds fairly often and you have great equity when called, sure get it in ASAP.

as played the only case i can see for pushing in this case tho is to get rid of button and his possible better draw.

i think calling and bombing the turn if you hit a flsuh, and ch/r allin if you hit a strt is best. if i hit a 4 or 7 i would try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible

[carnivalhobo]

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ive learned the hard way that you dont really have much fold equity at all in spots like this to be honest. SB has at least 2 pr and usually a set or straight and hes not folding any of those. if it were a rasied pot, where villain is likely to have a 1 pair hand that folds fairly often and you have great equity when called, sure get it in ASAP.

as played the only case i can see for pushing in this case tho is to get rid of button and his possible better draw.

i think calling and bombing the turn if you hit a flsuh, and ch/r allin if you hit a strt is best. if i hit a 4 or 7 i would try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible

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what about when the turn blanks and sb shoves, which he will?

[74o_Clownsuit]

Shoving looks best, remember that fundamentally it's best to get the money in when you have the most equity, so this should be a default play most of the time.

Also, your implied odds are pretty bad: if you complete a hand here, it will be painfully obvious and scary to most villians involved in the pot with you.